Can we do something so ranged champs dont have straight forward adventage over meeles in lane?

PiVoRx·Sep 20, 2016·4 votes·613 views

Like how do you even lane against with something that is not ranged as well (or semi ranged like )?

18 Comments

Inquisitor KaneSep 20, 20164 votes

Yes you can do much about it. Like learn to play such matchups. Farm early with ranged abilities, last hit under tower then get 6 and murder them. Or murder them before with your jungler.

adidasSep 20, 20162 votes

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Yes you can do much about it. Like learn to play such matchups. Farm early with ranged abilities, last hit under tower then get 6 and murder them. Or murder them before with your jungler.

Thats not how it works. Melee champs are at a disadvantage throughout the entirety of laning phase.

PiVoRxSep 20, 20162 votes

Ranged attacks you say? Warwick XinZhao Volibear Tryndamere Udyr Riven Renekton Rengar Rammus Nasus Mordekaiser Garen Darius

Inquisitor KaneSep 20, 20161 votes

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Ranged attacks you say?

Darius Q has a nice range as well as Morde's E. Rengo has E and so on... All the rest you mentioned has such insane sustain - Nasus P, Warwick's Q, Xin' W, Udyr's W... etc. that they can go for last hit and withstand 1-2 AA from the enemy.

And if they don't have the sustain they have that all-in potential that can fck ranged squishy harder than the welcoming comitee in the prison showers. Like Xin, Voli, Riven, Erekton....

Just because they have disadvantage at farming and you can't be arsed learning how to deal with it (jungle camps, side bushes, roaming, playing from behind, all-in) it doesn't mean it is unplayable.

I have seen too many good melee top laners beat the shit out of ranged champions to onow it is playable. ;-)

S0kaXSep 20, 20162 votes

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The DeckownerSep 20, 20162 votes

You don't.

HyperiönSep 20, 20161 votes

Use your abilites to farm, and if you can get poke when you farm, even better. Talon beats both of them level 4. Zed can punish both extremely well too.

If you take melee into Liss, well, then you sir are screwed unless you get camped pre6

Kassadin doesn't do too bad vs her either.

RalanrSep 20, 20161 votes

You'd have a better argument against marksmen because they are reliant on their ranged AA harass. Mages and casters can poke (and are usually meant to) but it's mainly from their abilities. So giving melee a straight up advantage against ranged ability casters (more than normal because of base stats. The only reason marksmen are a pain for melee and usually unfair is because their poke doesn't really require mana) would heavily weaken ranged casters.

Don't get me wrong. I would love for Riot to better tackle the melee vs ranged problem.

Dabrick01Sep 20, 20161 votes

They call it Draft Pick. Its purpose? To let you pick champs into other champs if you are smart enough to judge their team comp. Unless you are first pick. Then IDFK.

Or just pick Yasuo, but that is apparently a sin nowadays.

DJ LucioSep 20, 20161 votes

Meh, when I play Yasuo or Fizz midlane, I have no problem at range tbh. Just pressure them, if you're close, you'll more than likely outplay them since you're melee.

xWatersSep 20, 20161 votes

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Meh, when I play Yasuo or Fizz midlane, I have no problem at range tbh. Just pressure them, if you're close, you'll more than likely outplay them since you're melee.

Well those 2 champs are mobile. Playing against Lissandra top is obnoxious as a melee tank.

DJMason88Sep 20, 20161 votes

Lissandra is made to counter melee champs.

Meep ManSep 20, 20161 votes

I think the real key to this is making Doran's Shield a good item. It's Passive and Stats just aren't good, but naturally lend themselves towards an anti-ranged purpose.

Blue Collar BearSep 20, 20161 votes

Buff item 1054

Irelia BotSep 20, 20161 votes

This is why mobility creep came to be and must remain in the game.

People will say it is a problem but it is a problem created to solve another problem of ranged dominance.

Lordk0zSep 20, 20161 votes

From the looks of it, he's talking about mid rather than top.

Top is better suited to melee, it's bigger, and lets a melee chase a ranged much longer before having to disengage out of fear for the tower. Once you get on their ass and stick on it, you can land alot of damage.

Mid, you just bring people who can fight it against ranged characters with their own ability spam. Zed for example, was cried about endlessly by mid mages for his ability to fight back.