Daily reminder that Lux E costs 130 of mana

To be fair those buffs remove ad on hit fizz from the spotlight and are turning him back into AP fizz.

Since when did Viktor's Q deal extra damage when evolved? It just gives him a movement speed boost. I think you meant his E, which in this case, only deals full damage if they sit in it. Also, it doesn't slow. I can argue with most of these that they don't slow.

orianna's waveclear is a combo of Q+W (usually for the caster minions, then another Q is tossed at the melees to clean those up) Syndra's waveclear is a combination of Q+W+E (not necessarily in that order) Xerath Q clears the backline, but he still usually has to clear the tanky melee minions with W 1 Ziggs Q does not clear a minion wave. Ever. Usually E is thrown in (or additional Q's). Viktor doesn't use Q for waveclear. I think that's a typo and you're talking about E. E is not even half the cast range of Lux's E. (compare Lucent Singularity's 1100 cast range to Death Ray's 525 cast range). Really Vitkor should be classed a short range mage like Annie/Swain/Cass (but unlike those dudes, he builds pure squishy due to the durability granted from his Q) Ahri I don't play, but usually when I see her clearing a wave, it's Q+W plus a bunch of autos.

Twisted Fate's Q is a much better comparison for waveclear. I see it commonly oneshot the whole wave (or at least the caster minions) Although technically wildcards is entirely damage. It does not slow, it does not grant vision (I've killed a lot of people in the fog of war randomly because of wildcards hitting them which is why I know this). Cassiopeia's QW+EEEEEEEE not only clears the wave, but gives % max mana back. Usually she stays at full mana because of this. this does require Cass to be farmed/fed to achieve. Zed tends to build armour pen/botrk. neither of which enhance his waveclear than building flat AD would (armour pen doesn't increase damage against targets with 0 armour; which minions have 0 armour, and also BotRK gives 25 AD, which is tiny). Lulu isn't even played solo lane anymore (or played in general), but her Q has a much lower mana cost (and also much lower damage, but a much stronger slow).

Lux's cooldown being greater isn't by much. Most of these abilities have cooldowns ranging from 15 seconds to 6 seconds. And Lux's E is a flat 10 seconds at all ranks (which beats most of these abilities through ranks 1-4 in cooldown). Even then, we're talking about a 1 second difference in most scenarios.

It would be nice if the base damage at rank 5 of lucent singularity could oneshot the caster minions. I've had it happen before where I could oneshot the minion backline (but only when very fed).

good, let's lower the mana cost and make the range 550 like half the champs you just listed. :)

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Its base damage and ap scaling are pretty poor for a 10 second cd, 130 mana cost ability. It can't even clear the caster minions. Other mages' main damage/waveclear spells for comparison:

E - 10s cooldown, 240 base and 60% AP scaling. 130 mana. W - 9s cooldown, 250 base and 70% AP scaling. 110 mana. Q - 4s cooldown, 264.5 base and 69.5% AP scaling. 80 mana. Q - 5s cooldown, 240 base and 75% AP scaling. 120 mana. Q - 4s cooldown, 255 base and 65% AP scaling. 70 mana. E - 9s cooldown, 250 base and 70% AP scaling. With evolution, 350 base and 98% AP scaling. 110 mana. Q - 7s cooldown, 280 base and 70% AP scaling, with half of that being true damage. 85 mana.

In every case, Lux's E has the lowest base damage, lowest AP scaling, highest cooldown, and highest mana cost. All of these abilities aside from her E clears the casters in one cast. In other words, her E doesn't kill a single minion by itself until late game, which lets her be shoved under tower and roamed on. This is actually a huge indirect nerf in season 5 due to minions' buffed health, which took away her ability to wave clear but not that of other mages.

Yes, it has utility, but most of the time the slow on it is lost because you either detonate it immediately or the enemy walks out of it. Vision is good, but I think the downsides are too many for too few upsides. On a 10 second cd, I don't think upping the damage a tiny bit so it can kill caster minions is going to break it.

Edit: made a mistake with Viktor Q vs E. It's been fixed.

Note: Oriannas wave clear requires two spells or poor positioning, and when used aggressively is fairly easy to evade. Lux's waveclear skill can be charged to do hit a wave that essentially isnt smart enough to avoid it, and when used to poke, it is increadibly hard to dodge even just the base damage, plus her passive can be dropped on top. I've never liked the skill, but I accept it for what it is. Lux is a support who can mid, she doesn't need a buff, unlike orianna or Morgana that have similar support functionality, they can't freely swap between the two lanes as easily as Lux can, or be a damage dealing support, or go mid and give massive shield buffs to allies in teamfights followed by ultimate. Have you ever faced a team with lux and morganna, or lux and jannah. The two are basically tanks with the constant shield drops and massive CC

AOE slow doesn't mean shit if you detonate it quickly.

Right, she's in a great place. That must be why nobody plays her in any region on a pro team.

This is a good point. Why should her E cost more than an ultimate? It makes zero sense since the CC effect is actually quite negligible. Activating the passive after hitting E also puts her in a pretty dangerous situation. At most, her mana cost for E should be 100. At the lowest maybe 80-100.

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then again her passive proc does more then the other mages in duels so use your range wisely and poke effectively... auto melee E 1 shot minions with auto its not that bad since she out ranges everyone but

You talk in a way that makes it feel like it is pretty easy to lux to actually auto someone mid after using a ability.

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3/4 of Singed's abilities end up costing the same or more than 110 mana too.

Pretty annoying considering mana regen isn't as good as it was before.

Yeah, but singed has good sinergy with mana items. Lux doesn't . She doesn't have good sinergy with flat mana items, only mana regen.

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Yeah, they need to cut the cost to something like 60/65/70/75/80. Her Q mana cost is also pretty ridiculous at later levels; 90 mana at max rank is ridiculous... it should be 50/55/60/65/70.

^This People love to say " you don't know how to play the champ " , or " you are just bad lol " when someone asks to buff a champion