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I wish it mattered what I did.

Onotori··2 votes·254 views

But, since I play juggernauts, mages and tanks... I am entirely irrelevant unless I dedicate myself to protecting my ADC (or anyone else on my team who builds AD).

Riot just has this seeming hatred for anything that isn't AD and damage-oriented, and mages, juggernauts and tanks are worthless right now, with tanks only being situationally useful if you're actively CC locking their ADC.

I could be 15/0 and roam everywhere getting lanes snowballed, but it doesn't matter, because if my ADC isn't as good as theirs, then I automatically lose. If the enemy team picks a bunch of champs that abuse AD items and runes that mages / tanks can't get away with, then they automatically win unless my team is abusing even more broken champs / synergies -- even if we're massively ahead at first.

I just wish skill had anything to do with this game. But games are won based on champ select and what items you build. Anything else is just irrelevant.

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Sp33d Zer02 votes

Every single time I see a thread like this I can go through every single one of the past 20 games on the account and pick out around 70% of games where the adc wasn't the carrying force for ops team.

con·fir·ma·tion bi·as noun the tendency to interpret new evidence as confirmation of one's existing beliefs or theories.

Onotori3 votes

Yeah, unfortunately that's not how things work. If the ADC isn't carrying, it's the point-and-click AD jungle / mid. Mages, tanks, juggernauts... they're not capable of carrying.

Sp33d Zer02 votes

Ok give me your normal account. I'll go through it's match history and prove otherwise.

Void Nargacuga1 votes

Edit: Nevermind, if I actually made a bet I would have lost

Sp33d Zer01 votes

Can't find an account with that name.

Void Nargacuga1 votes

Well, I got rid of the name just in case.

Onotori1 votes

http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=Aitsuki

Sp33d Zer01 votes

Thank you :) I'll be back in a little bit, plane WiFi is shit.

Sp33d Zer03 votes

Ok so I work my way down the list by champion you played. I will be ignoring Aram for aram reasons.

Zoe- darius put out far more damage than mf, Yi matched her (both with higher Kill participation) and Raka had the best KP in the game.

Zoe- you crushed tristanas damage pretty handily and tristana was still out damage by Syndra and aatrox. This is a game where the winning adc put in some work but was still less impactful from face value than 3 other players.

Zoe- both adcs did jack all. This game was all about the enemy's jungle mid and top.

Bard- I'd be hard pressed to be believe that md was the carrying force here with Rakans score and Diana damage.

Kaisa- you carried your team, but the entire enemy team put in a similar amount of work to each other and almost matched you as am individual. Tbh this game should have been even crazier in your favor with that kind of score, but you main mid not adc so it makes sense.

Kayn- hot mother of vayne damage! That said braum looks like the real carry this game with the enemy adc and mid both matching vayne performance. I'm positive this game was won off braums shield.

Kaisa- both adcs did jack all and this was another solo Laner and jungle game.

I can keep going if yoh want.

saltran1 votes

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Ok so I work my way down the list by champion you played. I will be ignoring Aram for aram reasons.

Zoe- darius put out far more damage than mf, Yi matched her (both with higher Kill participation) and Raka had the best KP in the game.

Zoe- you crushed tristanas damage pretty handily and tristana was still out damage by Syndra and aatrox. This is a game where the winning adc put in some work but was still less impactful from face value than 3 other players.

Zoe- both adcs did jack all. This game was all about the enemy's jungle mid and top.

Bard- I'd be hard pressed to be believe that md was the carrying force here with Rakans score and Diana damage.

Kaisa- you carried your team, but the entire enemy team put in a similar amount of work to each other and almost matched you as am individual. Tbh this game should have been even crazier in your favor with that kind of score, but you main mid not adc so it makes sense.

Kayn- hot mother of vayne damage! That said braum looks like the real carry this game with the enemy adc and mid both matching vayne performance. I'm positive this game was won off braums shield.

Kaisa- both adcs did jack all and this was another solo Laner and jungle game.

I can keep going if yoh want.

Is that LOGIC in the BOARDS and not rage fueled circlejerk? What's happening here.

SwiftKitten882 votes

[{quoted}](name=Sp33d Zer0,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=NKIKmwiA,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-03-25T02:35:22.720+0000)

the tendency to interpret new evidence as confirmation of one's existing beliefs or theories._

lol its not exactly "new" evidence" the evidence of this has been there for at LEAST 2 years.

as a player who plays nearly exclusively ADC's you really shoudn't be the one to call other people "Bias"

Sp33d Zer01 votes

I can acknowledge that adc items are too strong for their price right now.

I can also acknowledge that adc isn't the end all be all of the entire game right now.

The fact that I actually back up what I say with relevent information in regards to a case by case basis should show that.

SwiftKitten881 votes

[{quoted}](name=Sp33d Zer0,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=NKIKmwiA,comment-id=000000010000,timestamp=2018-03-25T02:51:39.190+0000)

I can acknowledge that adc items are too strong for their price right now.

I can also acknowledge that adc isn't the end all be all of the entire game right now.

The fact that I actually back up what I say with relevent information in regards to a case by case basis should show that.

not the "end all be all" no.. but that sint even what the OP said

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Yeah, unfortunately that's not how things work. If the ADC isn't carrying, it's the point-and-click AD jungle / mid. Mages, tanks, juggernauts... they're not capable of carrying.

which IS 100% correct

i play nidalee. i am 100% at the mercy of my team no matter how well i do

i can have 30 kills and if the enemy team decides to group mid and push a tower or an inhib.. and my team donest come to assist me... there isnt jack shit i can do to stop it

this is what he is talking about. we are 100% at the mercy of our teams.

granted that is an extremely example and even most adc wouldn't be able to stop that. but that is the overall feeling we get.

now right now i play jungle and support

and it donest matter if i completely ignore top lane top lane could go 0/8 and as long as my adc has a lead over thier ADC our team will win any teamfight. becuases that is all that matters.

Onotori1 votes

ADCs are too strong period. Too much damage, items too cheap, too much sustain, too much item diversity... they need to lose something. Right now they're the best at everything.

And then we have AD champs, particularly ones who like lethality.

Then tanks.

Then mages.

Now, if you want to talk "fair" -- then the easiest, most reliable champs in the game should NOT be the strongest.

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