Woah that's a fair few Twitch nerfs all at once O.o

MrWasjig·11/29/2016, 3:20:01 PM·19 votes·2,228 views

From the current PBE cycle: -Ambush (Q) stealth time decreased to 8/9.5/11/12.5/14 from 10/11/12/13/14 -Venom Cask (W) mana cost increased to 60 from 50 -Contaminate (E) base damage lowered to to 10/25/40/55/70 from 20/35/50/65/80

All at once? Okay they're fairly tame nerfs but you know what's happened in the past when you throw out multiple nerfs all at once. Fair enough he is way strong but just don't go overboard yeah? I would like to keep playing him for a little while before he fades into obscurity, I've barely had the chance to use my SSW skin since release :P

Addition: I'm not saying he doesn't need to be toned down, but surely I'm not the only one here who remembers Riot's history with slapping multiple nerfs on a champion all at once....along with how well they've turned out in the past (cough)Kassadin(cough).

Also plenty of people have rightly pointed out that these are very minor, fair enough I appreciate that. Just airing a word of caution to Riot, though I think they may have learnt their lesson from overnerfing strong champs and instead are taking a more reserved approach. Call these pruning nerfs if you will...although that requires you to imagine Twitch as a bonsai tree (fuckit I’m writing that down as a skin idea)

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Meep Man11/29/2016, 7:10:20 PM7 votes

http://champion.gg/champion/Twitch/ADC

Win rate isn't something I commonly use to show off someone's strength... but... that's pretty high.

Darkeus11/29/2016, 3:21:00 PM7 votes

I don't know. Twitch has been dominating bot lane. Nerfs are definitely in order.

Sire Hippington11/29/2016, 8:38:06 PM5 votes

Each single of them is nothing more but a love tap, together they just actually get close to beeing an actual nerf. Seeing how far out of line Twitch is atm with a 56.6% winrate on a 10%+pickrate, it's actually a really small nerf.

Hawkefire11/29/2016, 9:26:46 PM3 votes

I find it very disconcerting that they are willing to do this to twitch, and yet not do the same to Vayne.

Ahristocats11/29/2016, 3:28:52 PM2 votes

W and E changes are really good if you ask me

Q nerf is just here to make sure that the rat won't be overpowered

Shadow Hazard11/29/2016, 9:49:16 PM2 votes

It will definitely hit jungle twitch pretty hard

Eedat11/30/2016, 1:45:49 AM1 votes

Its the PBE. You have zero clue if any of those are going to stick lol

Twitch Chat11/29/2016, 5:19:52 PM1 votes

Well yeah that's because he's broken as fuck. Just be glad they didn't touch spray and pray so he still auto wins once late game hits.

IceKingChernobog11/30/2016, 11:02:02 PM1 votes

I agree with the Q and W nerfs, they should really leave the E alone IMO.

AgentBlack11/29/2016, 7:25:54 PM1 votes

Yeah, preseason was kind to Twitch, but these nerfs are a bit much taken together. Q and W seem like token nerfs, but the Q duration is a sizable hit to his early roaming (the new purpose of his Q, since it's not much of an escape anymore), and he's basically forced to use W to trade effectively - which will now leave him even more mana starved. Those nerfs alone would tone him down significantly, but that E nerf HURTS. Trading and the early game in general will be a nightmare if these all go through together.

AirKingNeo11/29/2016, 10:44:39 PM1 votes

I think the changes are fine. Though the W mana cost hurts his waveclear he can do with W wait a bit E combo, and the Q nerf hurts jungle twitch a bit, he'll still be in a fine spot. The main reason Twitch works really well right now is because all his bullies suck now.

Personally, I'd rather see Lucian, MF, and Ashe get buffs to balance the field with Twitch. These champions who beat Twitch are just out of favor right now. Lucian: Revert some nerfs, except nerfs to his dash to an extent because melee top laners like to exist. Miss Fortune: Actually just make Lethality decent and have her build that over crit, otherwise make her ult scale a bit less with AD, more with crit, and add some crit ratios. Ashe: Something tiny. Jhin is fine right now, and Varus will be too after his buffs. Though I'm unsure how he will be played, onhit muramana + rageblade, IE + 2 zeal, ER + IE + Zeal, or something else?

EDIT: Also fix Tristana and Kog. These two need quite some work.