Why do I see no complaints about them? They have insane winrates at Ivern 56% and Twitch 57%.
The only thing I see on these boards that Lee Sin/Yasuo/Vayne are bullshit, and that may be true but 99% Of the posts don't contain anything else other then saying their bullshit.
AttackOnTeemos1 votesWinrate is high because only good players play them. And Twitch seems the be the only person who can eat a vayne.
Tormentula1 votesWinrate is high because only good players play them. And Twitch seems the be the only person who can eat a vayne.
Ivern has like a 8% pickrate right now. He's one of the highest picked junglers right now.
Guy Fox Teemo1 votesTHey have some of teh highest pick rates though (Top ten)?
SoundChaosDebug1 votesI remember playing Ivern on release, man that was garbage.
xWaters1 votesTwitch is being nerfed
Tormentula1 votesI've seen plenty of twitch complaint threads and they're working on fixing him in the pbe right now.
Ivern; people in lower elo don't see often enough. He's one of those champions where players just see him as another lose condition, but then you get into platinum and you're like "oh shit this isn't fair".
Reminds me of kindred.
bad arcade kitty1 votes[{quoted}](name=Spider Bonobo,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=NFrEItYe,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2016-12-01T23:17:19.400+0000)
I've seen plenty of twitch complaint threads and they're working on fixing him in the pbe right now.
Ivern; people in lower elo don't see often enough. He's one of those champions where players just see him as another lose condition, but then you get into platinum and you're like "oh shit this isn't fair".
Reminds me of kindred.
they don't want to decrease his ambush time on the maximal level so nothing will change
Tormentula1 votes[{quoted}](name=bad arcade kitty,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=NFrEItYe,comment-id=00030000,timestamp=2016-12-01T23:19:25.956+0000)
they don't want to decrease his ambush time on the maximal level so nothing will change
They want to decrease his primary damage. The ambush I can understand them leaving alone cause the fact he was revealed and can't sneak past people in laning phase anymore was a huge nerf to him from the assassin update, infact it was safe to say twitch was dead after that and loss of youmuu's. The problem is his W provides more stacks and persist while stood in (no body pays attention to that thing) so its much easier to get 6 stacks which deal true damage, and then E for a massive advantage. Twitch is a snowbally ADC where if he gets ahead he's usually unstoppable or he's irrelevant until full build, and because of his W making so much lane pressure, its much easier to snowball and get ahead early.
Twitch wasn't broken before due to stealth, and his stealth is even worse now, it just last longer until somebody walks near you. The issue is how easy it is to get ahead.
TequilaZombie1 votesSpeaking as an awful ADC: his W+E combo makes incredibly easy to farm with Twitch now. If I'm losing lane I can just throw a W on the entire minion wave, wait until they reach 4-6 stacks and press E for perfect farming. It makes much easier to not fall behind.
bad arcade kitty1 votestwitch is my permaban after i saw what they can do with their ambush on a late game teamfight
i better risk fighting rengar, vayne, syndra, whatever, those at least are manageable