Riot should just make Karma into an AP bruiser.

Sorgklaan·Jun 7, 2015·4 votes·576 views

It would fit her so much better rather than this shoehorn support bullshit. Bring back the original karma and tweak her. You know what would be awesome? If the enemy you were tethered to took a portion of all damage dealt to you magnified by AP, or if her shield did damage to enemies who did damage to her relevant to how big her shield was.

It would tie into her theme so much better and she would just be better.

Sick of riot trying to turn her into a support, I just want to play her top and mid, and so does the majority rest of her playerbase.

13 Comments

Solidair3Jun 8, 20153 votes

she can kind of already build herself like a bruiser. She's deceptively tanky as is.

Additionally, I actually prefer her more as a solo laner than I did before. That shield is MUCH bigger, and with the buff to her passive, my ult is up more than ever. And she's still good at dueling.

I know I'm always the voice of dissent, but I like Karma now a lot more than the old one. I feel a lot more impactful at all stages of the game. Plus Renewal is the ultimate fuck you to tower diving.

Voluug13Jun 8, 20151 votes

100% sure her shield has never been buffed back to being the 1° shield in game, which old Karma had, and Scarma doesnt. The moment the shield is buffed to that potency, Riot will have to nerf her Mantra Q. In fack I can easily say the shield is the weaker part od Scarma's kit. Also IIRC didnt they nerf the base shield last patch?

Also the passive buff just left her with a Mantra uptime similar to pre-rework, of course as long as you had max cdr and and knew how to use her 2 Mantra charges.

Solidair3Jun 8, 20152 votes

I don't recall claiming her buffed ult shield was the number one shield in the game ever? I simply said it was powerful.

I don't know why you're bringing that up.

Voluug13Jun 8, 20151 votes

Maybe misunderstood something but

That shield is MUCH bigger

I dont know who are you comparing the shield with... to pre 5.10 Scarma? To Old Karma? If so the only buff it received was Mantra E... because they actually nerfed the base shield.

Voluug13Jun 7, 20152 votes

But alas, Scarizard saw a shield and a heal and the Deletion&Remplacement happened.

Its the creation of Scarma that makes me wary of Scarizard as a developer. Heck the rework should have been given to a more expecienced developer instead of practically a newbie (I had never heard of Scarizard before then... and I play since 2009).

Angry MonsterJun 7, 20152 votes

Yeah cause a ranged AP bruiser is healthy....

Voluug13Jun 7, 20153 votes

Her range was always deficient. Her worse match-up in Midlane was Lux because she could poke her all day and the moment Karma tried to get close she could eat a Q.

Her main damage sources were a selfcast bombshield and a conic spell much like Morde's E.

There are much unhealthier things in the current game, much of them even are guilty of the same reasons as of why karma got Deleted&Remplaced.

She didnt have a Xerath/Lux range at all.

Sir YamazukiJun 8, 20152 votes

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Her range was always deficient. Her worse match-up in Midlane was Lux because she could poke her all day and the moment Karma tried to get close she could eat a Q.

Her main damage sources were a selfcast bombshield and a conic spell much like Morde's E.

There are much unhealthier things in the current game, much of them even are guilty of the same reasons as of why karma got Deleted&Remplaced.

She didnt have a Xerath/Lux range at all.

If she was a ranged AP Bruiser she could be going top lane and not mid lane, last I checked, Lux and Xerath do not go top lane. AP bruisers are more annoying when strong than AD bruisers.

Voluug13Jun 8, 20152 votes

In Top lane she was only good against people who are similar to what she was good against in midlane, all-in melee burst. Lane against her with any AP bruiser like Vlad and Rumble, watch her die. Same with MADC like Fiora, Tryndamere and Yi, as she didnt have hard CC to stop them.

Overall Old Karma was much healthier that many, specially those that never played or player her once, say. And certainly she could have happened to be much healthier now too.

My point is that in both lanes she had her good and bad picks- people only remember the 1 of 10000 games they saw a Karma, and probably lost because the Karma player knew their stuff.

DedriusJun 7, 20152 votes

She is actually not bad in solo lanes right now, Luden's give her unbelievable poke and with CDR her ability spam is good.

Earl EulrichJun 7, 20153 votes

as a poke/run away mage, sure - but that should not be her identity. Or if it has to be like that - they should just rename the Champ and bring back old Karma with the original abilities.

SorgklaanJun 7, 20153 votes

Yeah, current karma is doesn't feel anything like karma.

Atleast after the Sion rework, sion still feels thematically relevant.

King KamorJun 11, 20151 votes

I don't really see a reason why you wouldn't build her at least partly tanky already. The more hp, armor, and magic resistance you have, the more valuable her heal and self-cast shield become. Both are great for solo lane duels. Not saying you should rush tank items on her, but there are plenty of options for tanky AP champs.