Can we nerf Kalista?

DropFill·Mar 8, 2015·23 votes·2,190 views

I mean, if you don't have point and click nuke abilities, you pretty much lost against her

35 Comments

The ChinMar 8, 20155 votes

she did get nerfed!

kcStrangerMar 8, 20153 votes

They did nerf her a bit already, and I don't think anything more than an incremental nerf is necessary at this point. I'd hate to see them give her the Azir treatment, as I think she's a really cool champion. (I don't play her, btw.)

DropFillMar 8, 20155 votes

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They did nerf her a bit already, and I don't think anything more than an incremental nerf is necessary at this point. I'd hate to see them give her the Azir treatment, as I think she's a really cool champion. (I don't play her, btw.)

Only for the person playing it. For the whole rest of the enemy team, she is a pain in the ass.

Remlap1223Mar 9, 20153 votes

Yes, totatlly killed Kalista too. Just like that attack speed nerf killed Zed...

HOLY SHIT I COULDN'T TYPE THAT WITHOUT LAUGHING. Yeah those nerfs to Zed and Kalista *Certainly *stopped those LC$bigplays huh?

FauxfireMar 8, 20154 votes

Just auto lock that Annie Annie Annie Annie Annie Annie Annie Annie Annie like there ain't. No. ooooother

DropFillMar 8, 20154 votes

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Just auto lock that like there ain't. No. ooooother

And then she stays away from you, while her teams peels.

Sinister AnubisMar 8, 20153 votes

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And then she stays away from you, while her teams peels.

Like any other adc should do. omg this guy just got beat by a kalista and now she is his new champion to bitch and hate on. And yes i play her

BerserkInfernoMar 9, 20155 votes

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Like any other adc should do. omg this guy just got beat by a kalista and now she is his new champion to bitch and hate on. And yes i play her

Actually she just peels you. She's like Ashe except infinitely more mobile. There's no reason to pick Ashe when someone can half competently play as Kalista. No reason at all.

AnidanMar 9, 20152 votes

Well, they could just enjoy Ashe.

Oh wait, we're talking about Ranked and competitive play? Oh shit. Yeah, alright, there's no reason in that case. I absolutely love playing Ashe, but when I look at both of their (Kalista's and Ashe's) kits, it's pretty evident that if I was to actually play Ranked that I'd need to play Kalista over Ashe. I'd have Rend for a slow, ult for engages/no-counterplay-saves, waaaay more mobility, more objective control.. There really isn't anything I can think of right off the bat that Ashe really does better than Kalista.

Except have class. Ashe has way more class.

BerserkInfernoMar 9, 20151 votes

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Well, they could just enjoy Ashe.

Oh wait, we're talking about Ranked and competitive play? Oh shit. Yeah, alright, there's no reason in that case. I absolutely love playing Ashe, but when I look at both of their (Kalista's and Ashe's) kits, it's pretty evident that if I was to actually play Ranked that I'd need to play Kalista over Ashe. I'd have Rend for a slow, ult for engages/no-counterplay-saves, waaaay more mobility, more objective control.. There really isn't anything I can think of right off the bat that Ashe really does better than Kalista.

Except have class. Ashe has way more class.

You got that right buddy! XD

Sinister AnubisMar 9, 20151 votes

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Actually she just peels you. She's like Ashe except infinitely more mobile. There's no reason to pick Ashe when someone can half competently play as Kalista. No reason at all.

Why pick ashe anyways she hasn't been a popular pick in ages

Irelia BotMar 8, 20154 votes

Would like if her increased jump range when moving away was removed or reduced to 10%.

It is like having another 25% movement speed without having to worry about the light cap on speed effecting it.

Kitten of EvilMar 8, 20157 votes

And also without having to worry about MS slows.

Señor KarthusMar 8, 20154 votes

PUt a cap to those stupid stacks when she auto attacks. At least for monsters.

metaworldpeace10Mar 8, 20153 votes

I'd rather see buffs to Varus/Ashe/Twitch/Lucian/MF than nerfs to Kalista. I feel the ADC role is close to achieving good balance.

DropFillMar 8, 20152 votes

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I'd rather see buffs to Varus/Ashe/Twitch/Lucian/MF than nerfs to Kalista. I feel the ADC role is close to achieving good balance.

If I ask buff to this champions, people come out of nowhere saying of how STRONG they are, "you just need to learn to play them".

RawrfulMar 8, 20153 votes

Meh, below 48% win rate so she isn't actually winning crushingly. She is VERY strong vs non-targeted CC/low mobility champions, and VERY weak against targeted CC and high mobility champions. I like champions like that, because they mean you can't just "pick the OP" in champ select, you actually need to used half a brain in the pick/ban phase.

Of course, the game isn't balanced at all in blind pick. Randoming into a bad matchup is always going to suck.

DropFillMar 8, 20155 votes

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Meh, below 48% win rate so she isn't actually winning crushingly. She is VERY strong vs non-targeted CC/low mobility champions, and VERY weak against targeted CC and high mobility champions. I like champions like that, because they mean you can't just "pick the OP" in champ select, you actually need to used half a brain in the pick/ban phase.

Of course, the game isn't balanced at all in blind pick. Randoming into a bad matchup is always going to suck.

Every adc is weak against targeted CC.

MatezoideMar 9, 20154 votes

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Every adc is weak against targeted CC.

It certanly helps that two forms of CC are literally useless against her.

EedatMar 9, 20153 votes

They did nerf her last patch. Her winrate is down to 46% now. What more do you guys want? She was balanced before, now shes weak. Let it go

DropFillMar 9, 20151 votes

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They did nerf her last patch. Her winrate is down to 46% now. What more do you guys want? She was balanced before, now shes weak. Let it go

How being able to buy 0 crit and hurricane, a item everyone said was trash, makes her OP is balanced?

EedatMar 9, 20151 votes

How is hurricane being a decent item on her make her broken OP? Just because an item is good on a champ makes them OP? So you are arguing Varus is OP because hurricane is good on him as well? She isnt even that good with it after last nerf.

Literally the worst argument I've heard to date.

DropFillMar 9, 20151 votes

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How is hurricane being a decent item on her make her broken OP? Just because an item is good on a champ makes them OP? So you are arguing Varus is OP because hurricane is good on him as well? She isnt even that good with it after last nerf.

Literally the worst argument I've heard to date.

Varus is not good with hurricane or without it. Kalista is able to stack infinite damage up to 3 targets with hurricane, which seems to be a problem IMO

EedatMar 9, 20151 votes

She is not able to stack "infinite damage" as the target will die. Her damage output is actually far lower than a late game Jinx, Kog, Trist, Vayne, Jinx, Cait, MF, or Twitch

Veigar and Nasus should be completely removed from the game and the actually can stack infinite damage then right?

DropFillMar 9, 20151 votes

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She is not able to stack "infinite damage" as the target will die. Her damage output is actually far lower than a late game Jinx, Kog, Trist, Vayne, Jinx, Cait, MF, or Twitch

Veigar and Nasus should be completely removed from the game and the actually can stack infinite damage then right?

Veigar and Nasus both can be zoned from farming, so there is a counter to it. Also , their CD and minions spawn also influence on how much they can stack. Kalista only needs to AA

DyonasMar 8, 20152 votes

Yes, let's nerf something else! In fact why don't we just nerf the whole game? Every champion now does 0 damage for all abilities and basic attack, towers do 0 damage, dragon and baron will be replaced with fluffy bunnies that poop fairy dust and minions dance with each other. After 20 minutes the game simply ends with each side declared the winner and everyone goes home happy, yay!

Shut up with your cries for nerfs. I'm sick of "nerf because waaaaaaah waaaaaaaaaah" posts on here. Learn to play against them. Play safe or, dare I say it? Use... TEAMWORK.

Heckin SupportMar 9, 20152 votes

Once you bind autoattack pathing you don't even have to try as kalista. I went about 12-3 as kalista and I can't remember ever using my Q, I just bound my autoattack pathing to ctrl rmb and just click, click, click, click can't catch me.

Immortal StrifeMar 8, 20151 votes

Overrated.

SaiannaMar 8, 20151 votes

Please, instead asking for nerfs, ask for buffs!

Otherwise we'll have League of nerfs!

PlanetshipMar 9, 20151 votes

LOL her win rate says otherwise scrub

SmokingPuffinMar 9, 20151 votes

I find Kalista easier to hit with skillshots than almost any other ADC. Her dash tells you exactly where to aim, and she can't cancel autos to dodge your stuff.

DropFillMar 9, 20151 votes

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I find Kalista easier to hit with skillshots than almost any other ADC. Her dash tells you exactly where to aim, and she can't cancel autos to dodge your stuff.

WIth enough AS, she can dash during your cast time. Also, her Q allows her to also reposition herself incase she doesn't have anything to AA

QahnaarinMar 9, 20151 votes

oh yeah. nerfing a ballanced champion with a 45ish% win rate is exactly what we need when there are a crap ton of other champions that are in greater need of a nerf.

DropFillMar 9, 20151 votes

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oh yeah. nerfing a ballanced champion with a 45ish% win rate is exactly what we need when there are a crap ton of other champions that are in greater need of a nerf.

Are one of them an adc? Because if not, your argument is stupid

QahnaarinMar 10, 20151 votes

How EXACTLY is my argument stupid. Kalista, though highly mobile, still has weaknesses. she gets out traded by many champions such as jinx, and vayne, caitlyn can outkite her due to her long range, and often times, her movements can be easy to predict and worked around. any debuff that lowers attack speed cripples her mobility. Like just about any squishy out there, She gets slaughtered by assassins. Champions with gap closers and CC can easiy catch her due to her low AA range. Is she an annoying champion? Yes. Is she OP? No. Does she need a nerf? No. the nerf in the last patch is enough. Are you just salty because you got countered? Probably.

Back on to the topic of my original post, there are far more champions that need nerfs. If you want to nerf an adc, nerf one of the ones with a higher win rate, not the one with the fifth lowest.