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Annie is WAY WAY WAY too tanky. (and overloaded)

God Went MIA··3 votes·970 views

Annie is a burst mage. She should not have 3500 HP through normal items and then 200 armor and 100 Mr on top of that. With Spell Vamp runes, annie can EASILY 1v1 any fighter, kiting, stunning, and healing much more damage than any fighter can deal. I can't believe annie is allowed to exist in this state. SHE SHOULD NOT BE A TANK, SHE IS AN AP MAGE FFS. Add to that that she has no counters in lane with very exclusive exceptions, the easiest laning phase in the game with her Q farming and stuns, and the longest range besides trist or maybe jhin now, annie is just way to strong at the moment.

Riot needs to take SOMETHING out of annies overloaded kit to balance her. She should not be able to do everything. Remove her defensive buffs that make her a broken *** tank that can 1 hit an entire team with 4k hp and 200 resistances, or make her lane actually challenging and make it possible to shut her down in lane with more than 2 champs. or just completely make her a utility mage and cut her damage in half.

I can't speak for high elo, but I know that below Plat, its pretty much agreed upon that annie is a complete joke. Not only is she extremely overloaded, she takes ABSOLUTELY NO SKILL to play reasonably well, or well enough to carry with her. Champs like her are a cancer to the game.

23 Comments

Ruin Lance3 votes

spell vamp runes

lol what

yeah annie is busted right now but you're exaggerating with the whole health thing and how she can one shot a whole team. (hint: she can't one shot a whole team unless they're too stupid to get an aegis and some mr.)

edit: i do agree that she needs some nerfs though. she has the highest winrate in mid lane with a very high play rate.

RogueWill3 votes

The thing is unless flash is up she gets dumpster by any other viable/meta mid. Considering her range is actually one of the shortest among all mages.

Catastrop2 votes

Well Doom Annie is meant to be that way.

FioraWillCarry2 votes

You think Annie is bad ? You ever met Brand ? Worse cancer to exist right now. At least you can farm vs Annie.

TyrekGoldenspear1 votes

Excuse me?

Admittedly you may have fought good Brands, but we have to work hard to explode our enemies.

He's immobile and explodes if focused. He has to hit two keys to stun you for a second.

Annie only has to land one key and the stun lasts longer.

FioraWillCarry1 votes

{quoted}

Excuse me?

Admittedly you may have fought good Brands, but we have to work hard to explode our enemies.

He's immobile and explodes if focused. He has to hit two keys to stun you for a second.

Annoe only has to land one key and the stun lasts longer.

Annie can't hit you with a pillar of fire from a mile away. Ever tried farming vs Brand with a low range champion like Kayle ? Most miserable experience you will ever have I guarantee. Annie doesn't even compare. You can AFK farm vs Annie all day long if you want and she can't do shit to stop you and her stun is dog shit easy to play around. Annie has never been much of a problem for me, even with melee champs like Akali. Brand on the other hand......god...just kill me.

In all fairness, Brand only started becoming a problem when they gave him that ridiculous new passive and pair that with Thunderlords, and his damage becomes over the top.

TyrekGoldenspear1 votes

I play Brand, and I feel you. There are a few issues though.

Annie can't hit you with a pillar of fire from a mile away. Ever tried farming vs Brand with a low range champion like Kayle ? Most miserable experience you will ever have I guarantee.

This here is because the Brand was smart. Pillar of Flame is a telegraphed AOE explosion with a .75 second delay. Easily avoidable with boots. My guess is that the Brand waited till you tried to CS before casting it beneath your feet. Your AA delay wouldn't let you move out of the way in time.

There are two ways to keep a Brand on his toes. You can farm with your abilites and force him to use his to farm under tower. Pillar is maxed first, and I will OOM if I spam that spell along with Conflaguration to farm or harass. This leads to another thing.

I cannot harass you forever. I will OOM and then I cannot fight you effectively. Wait till a Brand is about 100-200 mana, then fight him. At most I can only do a pillar and a fireball. Then I'm helpless. If a Brand is constantly harasing you from farm chances are you are still pretty full mana-wise, so you can go all in on him and hit him with multiple rotations. You will get a flash or a kill. Brand's damage is gated behind his passive. His damage has been lowered across the board and loaded into a passive that rewards him for getting multiple hits on an enemy.

In all fairness, Brand only started becoming a problem when they gave him that ridiculous new passive and pair that with Thunderlords, and his damage becomes over the top.

No offense, but what kind of Brands are you fighting? Deathfire is better on Brand 100% of the time. The burn refreshes with the passive burn so well, and Deathfire has no cooldown. It's like I'm doubling up on my burn. Add item 3151 and I can watch health melt.

FioraWillCarry1 votes

{quoted}

No offense, but what kind of Brands are you fighting? Deathfire is better on Brand 100% of the time.

I fought a couple that played Thunderlords. They were super aggressive and constantly attempted to proc it early game for huge damage. My guess is they were using a general rune/mastery set up for mages and most mages rock Thunderlords. I too have a lot of general runes/masteries. I often end up using sub-optimal setups since I can't account for every champion's nuances with 6 or 7 rune pages. I only have specific setups for my mains.

TyrekGoldenspear1 votes

Ah, that makes sense. Well a dedicated Brand will tell you that Deathfire is always a better choice. Scales way better and his passive refreshes it constantly.

oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votes

Brand item 3116 item 3151 wins with his DOT PASSIVE and the DOT FROM DEATH FIRE TOUCH AND PASSIVE DOT % HP DAMAGE OF item 3151

TyrekGoldenspear1 votes

I love it when I get those two items and do my full combo on a tank that bought armor to counter his lane opponent and forgot to get MR. Melts like butter.

oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votes

and Brand with item 3151 item 3116 item 3020 item 2301 item 3089 item 3135 isnt a support ... it is an AP CARRY playing the "role " of support he does nothing in the terms of a "support" but provide damage ....

TyrekGoldenspear1 votes

Death is the best CC.

oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votes

lol like that statement states you admit he isnt a support

TyrekGoldenspear1 votes

I main him but I have NEVER played him as a support.

Feels like too much cheese for my tastes. I like utility in my supports. If I wanted nothing but damage I would play a carry role.

oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votes

and this how i know you admit he isnt a support lol

Boulderox1 votes

{quoted}

Excuse me?

Admittedly you may have fought good Brands, but we have to work hard to explode our enemies.

He's immobile and explodes if focused. He has to hit two keys to stun you for a second.

Annoe only has to land one key and the stun lasts longer.

well, brand doesn't have a point and click stun, but agree he can be stupid with his ult and aoe alone

TyrekGoldenspear1 votes

Nevah!

Just kidding. But it's his strengths, AOE teamfight damage. He has relatively mediocre single target damage and he can't even ult a single target without the ult being wasted. Let the flaming man have his strengths.

Calabok1 votes

ORLY?????

Trashlord Kayden1 votes

http://lolcounter.com/champions/annie this will help you a lot.

Attticus Finch1 votes

I just checked your match history and the last Annie you played with had nowhere near the stats you're refferring too, so what is this magical build you're speaking of in which Annie has 3500 health, 200 armor and 100 MR?

Dasdi961 votes

I have played tank Annie a lot. She does have good survivability with her damage reduction and still decent burst, but shes can't really 1 shot anymore.

Revali1 votes

Okay, since you don't know how to beat annie here's 3 things to easily accomplish against her.

  1. First off, she's heavily countered by any sort of range. don't give me this Flash tibbers bullshit, because any ranged mage worth their salt knows to just poke her down and punish her for trying to approach

See that stunbar? a midlane annie can not hold that forever or risk being outpushed and roamed. giving her 'dead time' that could be used better

any champ with good cc to follow up on ganks ex Lissandra ult, completely shit on annie.

now the reason annie is so tanky, is she's using items like item 3027 item 3116 item 3001 item 3157

to make herself a battle-like mage the reason she's so 'tanky' is because of her e. % damage reduction is strong, but its not very long.

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