This bot lane feeding meta sucks.

God Went MIA·Dec 18, 2016·131 votes·10,726 views

When top loses, they usually go about 1/4. you can win the game. When mid loses, they might even go 1/5. You can still win the game. When bot loses, they combine for 1/20. You WILL NOT win the game. The jungler, adc, support, and mid will all be fed by 2 players, regardless of how the rest of the team does. This is an idiotic meta. The whole game is spoiled by 2 people who can't dodge a skill shot or ward. Add to this that there is absolutely no punishment for going 1/10, and you have yourself a terrible FF at 20 environment.

190 Comments

BreakuDec 18, 201672 votes

As a bot lane player, I hate this too. 4-5man ganks in bot lane all game long is frustrating. It feels like whoever 5man ganks bot the most in the early game will win the late game for sure.

Jet SettDec 18, 201620 votes

Not to mention when bot tower goes, that side of the jungle is forsaken. With top it's one person and the jungler if he wants to risk it, but sometimes the jungler you're playing can handle two people. With bottom lane it's the support, ADC, and jungler. The ADC doesn't have to be near you, if they have a tank support (and they usually do) they just wait in the bush for you to collect your buff, cc you, and then the fed ADC wrecks you, or the ADC and jungler wreck you.

Point is I can ward against a fed Garen Pantheon and the like, but chances are Leona 's been warding and dewarding my jungle before I even step into it, making it incredibly unsafe to even try to get control over it.

Spaceman5pffDec 18, 20163 votes

As a fellow jungler, Can confirm that botlane losing fucks me harder than Ron Jeremy. The vision power / jungler security I lose if botlane gets rolled is impossible to contend with.

I don't know how, but botlaners need to learn that playing not to lose lane is way more important than playing to win lane. The risks you run by going aggro for kills are just so high that it usually isn't worth it.

NOTE: Most of the time my botlane gets "4-5 man dove" is when they played way up to go for a kill, don't get it, and the jungler / mid roam in and they get chased into their turret and die there.

BreakuDec 18, 20162 votes

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As a fellow jungler, Can confirm that botlane losing fucks me harder than Ron Jeremy. The vision power / jungler security I lose if botlane gets rolled is impossible to contend with.

I don't know how, but botlaners need to learn that playing not to lose lane is way more important than playing to win lane. The risks you run by going aggro for kills are just so high that it usually isn't worth it.

NOTE: Most of the time my botlane gets "4-5 man dove" is when they played way up to go for a kill, don't get it, and the jungler / mid roam in and they get chased into their turret and die there.

The issue with playing to not lose is that it only works in the long run if your other lanes are winning. If my top or mid or jungle is losing, baring one of them being ahead, we can't afford to go even gold with the enemy bot lane.

EndlessSorcererDec 18, 201646 votes

Considering the chances that one or both of them are autofilled, it doesn't surprise me in the least.

ForgiveColourDec 18, 201624 votes

Yeah because its totally the 2 players fault for having a shit team and not helping them to not get 4 man ganked

2Charmnot2CharmDec 18, 20165 votes

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Yeah because its totally the 2 players fault for having a shit team and not helping them to not get 4 man ganked

Got to love it when i pinged the enemy mid heading towards bot the second he leaves vision of mid lane and bot still dies to my mid 20 seconds later (by over extending not getting tower dived) while i'm shoving the minions into the tower and getting free damage or first blood on it.

You have a mini map and allies using pings, learn to play safe for once ffs.

SwarovskoDec 18, 201623 votes

"2 people who can't dodge a skill or ward", well try to avoid them and dodge their skillshots when you're 2v5.

Pentium2Dec 18, 20161 votes

Yeah, exactly, I started maining adc/supp in S5 when I was tired of people feeding their asses off, it worked pretty well.

On the other side of the coin, if someone is not willing to do what I did, has no right to complain.

SwarovskoDec 18, 201612 votes

Yeah easy to say that other people can't dodge Vayne AA, Nami ult, Lux E ,an Hecarim running at the speed of sound and a Kennen teleporting then E + ult us.

StephenizgodDec 18, 201620 votes

When I Support, there are always 4 people bot lane, sometimes 5. It is the most frustrating thing ever for multiple reasons because not only are we feeding multiple lanes at this point since we are just being dove by 4 people, but there is no pressure or really anything going on in the other lanes. Mid lane is sitting Mid last hitting minions, not even pushing, bitching about how their lane is being fed and Top lane is bitching about not getting any ganks. Jungle is lost because even if they ganked its 4v3 and most likely they are already fed. It is just completely hopeless, the game is decided basically on which team rotates bot lane quickest or most efficiently.

When I am Top, if i see 4 people bot I will just hard push and try to take as many turrets as I can. I will only TP in if bot lane has good HP and our Jungler is actually ganking, for the most part though without the fear of a 2v1, I will just push and bully my opponent out of lane and hopefully take the turret.

Tentacle AdvisorDec 18, 201610 votes

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When I Support, there are always 4 people bot lane, sometimes 5. It is the most frustrating thing ever...

THIS! So much THIS! ^^^^^

I don't think people have noticed (or have simply ignored) that bot lane, this season, has been one big buffet. I've Supported in many different games (some even back-to-back-to-back), where my adc and I are farming/trading/etc. [with wards up, mind you] and still proceed to get 4-manned. Try to push a wave, 4-manned. Try to trade with your lane opponents, 4-manned. Opposing bot laners are literally returning from base, after being killed, they get to lane and you're 4-manned. Try to sit under your turret, because you're constantly being 4-manned, the opposing jungler and mid split off from the opposing bot lane, sneak up behind your turret and...you guessed it...4-manned.

Honestly, I blame the whole 'turret first blood' and 'weaker tier 1 bot towers' concepts. If it weren't for the fact that bot lane is now literally the easiest lane to dive and destroy, this whole 4-5-manning shit would probably stop. It's frustrating, indeed.

And, before people say 'Place wards and place safe, you noob!", let me remind you that wards DO NOT defend you from dives. Especially not as the bot laners. It also doesn't help that the only way to survive that is to basically give up your tower at 6-7 minutes into the game (usually when the 4-manning starts) just to not die.

Purple DeathDec 18, 201619 votes

Such is the meta right now. Tbh we need less gold for kills or make less gold per kill for marksmen only.

SGT Dingle BerryDec 18, 201618 votes

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Such is the meta right now. Tbh we need less gold for kills or make less gold per kill for marksmen only.

Remove gold for kills completely, it would definitely fix retarded issues like a team chasing after a half dead support rather than take an objective. When you die you lose CS and map control while the killer gains it, that should be reward enough. Gold for kills is low enough as it is save for shut down and first blood.

VerdadeDec 18, 201628 votes

That could work if it didn't invalidate assassins and initiators while breaking tp

Spaceman5pffDec 18, 20162 votes

RIP playing literally any earlygame champ / snowball champ.

I love me some Renekton so i can cuck all the nerds playing their "good" or "meta" toplaners.

AdriqnoheeDec 18, 20162 votes

I assume that if they removed the gold from player's death, they would at least increase minion gold to compensate and make death more punishing.

MisterShamelessDec 18, 201610 votes

That would hurt support gold pool by a LOT.

SteelMankindDec 18, 20166 votes

That's gonna make it much harder to carry as a midlaner if I can't snowball off of solo kills/bot roams

Spacesuit SpiffDec 18, 20162 votes

Well, theres the case where you survive a tower dive with very little health and have to back. You both lost lane pressure, and therefore went even, even though you survived. And you might as well just keep csing; who cares if the jungler kills you, they dont get gold for it.

Spaceman5pffDec 18, 20162 votes

Yeah many levels of decision making would be made totally worthless by this model.

All in all a silly idea.

HotS tried it and look, nobody fucking plays that game in comparison to other MOBAS. Heck, even smite might have more active players than HotS if you disregard the current spike of breif players only there for Oni Genji in overwatch.

MiTsuO AkaiDec 18, 201616 votes

So we're in a bot lane feeding meta but adc's still should be nerfed... OMFG the league community is just amazing... lmao

Pentium2Dec 18, 20168 votes

Obviously theese are people, who never play on botlane and thus they think they know everything.

CookyPrinceDec 18, 20166 votes

"adcs are in every game and they do damage lets nerf" "my team/bot is bad every game pls rito" bot lanes been so bad and probably the worse lane in the game with the recent changes to jungle making lee sin kha and other meta early ganking junglers insanely strong, turrets giving first blood and removing the fortification from bot turret and turrets basically not doing enough damage to prevent that

GelmousDec 18, 201615 votes

of course it's going to happen because while you're afk farming your lane picking your nose, bot is getting five manned, first blood turret is gone with dragon because three other team mates didn't react

NekoniClawsDec 18, 201610 votes

Ignoring the fact 4-man-towerdives are REALLY popular for a second... imagine this.

Jinx Thresh vs Ashe Janna Each of these players is squishy. Thresh lands a hook on a full-health Ashe . His lantern goes over the wall into the jungle. Jinx boosts up her rockets and starts hitting Ashe Hecarim flies in on the lantern, 1st blood at 3 minutes. It takes roughly 5 seconds to erase Ashe's healthbar from the initiate.

Bot lane is squishy, and fast paced. There's double the players to make plays, or to mess up. It is hyper-gankable, so the junglers make plays there- heck even mid or top do too. It's objectively important to early game, so everyone plays hard or goes home.

....

Janna 's tornado finally hits Thresh

Off Meta EvanDec 18, 20166 votes

Vayne yep i'll dodge all those skill shots she has :^)

dominusxDec 18, 20163 votes

Botlaners crying abot 5mans. Not like you can WARD the river to see the midlaner coming. Not like YOU CAN RESPECT THE FUCKIN TELEPORT from the enemy toplaner. NOT LIKE YOU CAN KEEP TABS on the enemy jungler or anything hurr durr i gotta shove the wave under tower and make enemy adc miss 2 cs and get ganked. fk outta here.

SugarRayMoeDec 18, 201610 votes

Lol, you have no clue. Have you ever played bot? I guess not.

Wards dont matter AT ALL when it comes to be 5 manned, you know? i'm tired of people that still havent found out that they need to go bot to fight. Bot must be 5 v 5 from minute 7 on. Just learn the fkng meta and play correctly.

The team that knows that they have to 5 men bot once it reaches minute 7/8, is the team that wins.

dominusxDec 18, 20162 votes

have you ever played top? have you ever been camped and starved in the most snowbally lane of the game? do you think 2v3 is the same as 1v2? do you think its fun to fall behind as a melee champ with all the retarded adcs oneshoting you before you even get in your effective range? i think not.

SugarRayMoeDec 18, 201611 votes

The jungler can fix 2vs1. The jungler cannot fix 5 vs 2. Do you get it?

Move you lazy ass and take care of bot, it's your responsibility too, and stop playing with ignite (i dont know if you actually do, but no more viable, deal with it)

And not only the junglers, wards can kind of fix 2vs1, wards cannot fix sh+t 2vs5

Not over-extending can fix 2vs1, not over-extending cant fix sh+t 2vs5.

Got it? or still you dont?

dominusxDec 18, 20161 votes

who gives a shit about any shitty botlane i sure as fuck dont for the last 3 years. 5mans can be avoided as long as you pay respect to the enemy summoners if you dont you die. its like telling me i should 1v1 darius when ik his ignite is up. Pay proper respect and you wont ever die. and if you have vission you can see the enemy rotating so you can countergank and ace them simple. And a little heads up nobody gives a shit about botlane. later

SugarRayMoeDec 18, 20167 votes

Lol, you are clueless mate.

Yes, I'm sure allstars botlanes were sh+tty when they got destroyed by 5 men. You could EASELY realize this new meta in the allstars, where bot was a 5 men fuckfest all day long.

Keep playing like that, and keep losing and complaining when the other team destoys your bot while you are happyfarming.

dominusxDec 18, 20161 votes

idgaf they feed regardless i just shift my focus into something that cna counter their feeding.

SugarRayMoeDec 18, 20165 votes

Lol, I didnt realize it was a "my teammates hold me back" thread.

Sorry, my bad.

Have a nice day.

dominusxDec 18, 20161 votes

nah it's not. its simply idgaf about any shitty adc player regardless of their elo.

JackMcSnipeyzDec 18, 20163 votes

I have seen you pop up on the forums always complaining about ADC, did an ADC main steal your girl or kill your dog? Seriously you have some serious personal grudge against a fucking role in a moba game.

dominusxDec 18, 20161 votes

they have been stealing my lp over the years by beeing useless ret---s and pissing me off i have the right to have agrudge with the role and especially the playerbase

JackMcSnipeyzDec 18, 20163 votes

So are they Over powered? Underpowered? Feeding nonestop or oneshooting everyone? At least be consistent with your constant bitching and whining

dominusxDec 18, 20161 votes

they just feed cause they suck bt then somehow they become viable again with 3 items 2 of them beeing cheap and they oneshot people with no counterplay what so ever. cause hurr durr i need to rightclcik to do dmg . skillshots? skillcap who needs that shit imma rightclick on you and you die. hurr durr

SugarRayMoeDec 18, 20164 votes

In my last game I got a top that fed like 1/12 and he asked me not to ult him with zilean because it was not worth it.

He was playing like crap, but I told him not to worry, that I would ult him anyway and that he should do his best, that's all.

His best was not a big thing actually, but the game remained calmed, the mid flaming him shut the f up, he played safer and we won the game.

#differences

PS: btw, carrying is not only killing people, you can carry using the chat. It's amazing how many games you can carry with the right words. "uninstall noob!" is not one of them, btw. People that care about winning NEVER flame. NEVER EVER.

DHBGrimReaperDec 18, 20163 votes

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"I had one bad ADC so all adc are trash" Seriously, what's stuck up your ass. If i'd develop a grudge against every role that i saw someone feed on, i would hate the entire league community

With all these autofilled flash ignite full ap Lux "Supports" going around and not knowing what to do, Bot Lane has become much more volatile as the support not doing well greatly hinders the ADC's ability to farm safely as well as giving an advantage to the other bot lane who may or may not have a competent support. This means that bot lane in this meta is most likely to feed uncontrollably, whether as a result of overaggression or snowballing.

RivuoDec 18, 20162 votes

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Botlaners crying abot 5mans. Not like you can WARD the river to see the midlaner coming. Not like YOU CAN RESPECT THE FUCKIN TELEPORT from the enemy toplaner. NOT LIKE YOU CAN KEEP TABS on the enemy jungler or anything hurr durr i gotta shove the wave under tower and make enemy adc miss 2 cs and get ganked. fk outta here.

Let you fucking have a permanent twisted fate ult 10-15 seconds before a gank happens

I promise you will still die. A 5 man bot is 5 man bot and there aitn no stoppin it

GayFluffyUnicornDec 18, 20161 votes

Same happens on top. Even more and wanna know why? A snowballing riven, fiora, darius, renekton are way more valuable in terms of pressure than botlane but it is only and ALWAYS botlane crying. Assassins so op, mages op,bruisers op, tanks op, everything op except poor poor adcs and botlane in general :( It's not like maybe MAYBE botlane could read their game and watch their teammates: does my team have pressure? do they win their lanes? Yes? Let's play aggressive and prepare a 4 men gangbang on bot. Is our team slowly losing or getting pressure in their lanes? Yes? Better fall back and expect the enemies to gangbang us soon. But what does botlane usually do? HURR DURR IMA ADC LETS PUSH 24/7 AND SPAM PING ? MID AND TOP FOR NOT SAVING OUR ASSES WHEN WE CANT WARD AND OVEREXTEND.

l Dárius lDec 18, 20161 votes

Have to agree Love autofilled supports.

10TicklerDec 18, 201616 votes

Support Main:

I love Toplaners who don't break the enemy TP, or follow their lane, or shove a turret

GayFluffyUnicornDec 18, 20161 votes

Breaking the enemy TP.... you serious? I mean you have 4 full seconds to retreat from a TP. How about you look at your teammates, realising your toplaner (me in that case) doesn't run TP so you just play more careful?

10TicklerDec 19, 20162 votes

It's Easy to Run away when we're pushed in lane, and it's in the First bush, while surrounded by Jungler and Midlaner on one side, with the Botlane on the other.

Or when we're being dove and they just wanted to get everyone involved. You not taking TP is your choice, but if it's not paying off when botlane's being Anally raped by all five of their team, and you're not shoving that turret DOWN, or getting Herald with the Jungler, Then you, and the Jungle are fully to blame when Botlane's dove under turret, by five people, all because you wanted higher kill pressure in your lane.

NuparuDec 18, 20161 votes

Don't blame the player, blame the system.

Sraeg2013Dec 18, 20163 votes

I wouldn't blame the player if it wasn't for the fact people are playing worse and worse each season on top of all the idiotic changes being shit out left and right by Riot.

I mean, two seasons ago I could find decent people even in Bronze, now Gold or Plat are a fucking clown fiesta where nobody can CS, trade, roam, ward. In short: Use brain.