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Edge of Night/ Sorcerers' bane

SwiftKitten88··7 votes·3,117 views

this is going to be a two part thread the first of which will discuss the active the second will discuss the base stats and the passive

so first off, the active

Channel for 1.5 seconds to grant a spell shield that blocks the next enemy ability. Lasts for 10 seconds. (30 second cooldown) (Can move while channeling)

riot.. you just gave EVERY champion in the game a Sivir spellshield. i know its not "instant" but... honestly this is GAMEBREAKING, first off it last 10 seconds... and the cooldown is 30 seconds

i cannot even begin to fathom how many champ this item is going to break literally ANY champ that is going to go within melee range is item will be broken for. or hell maybe your trying to run from a champ with a skillshot, use the active your your safe

i mean how the hell this can even get to pbe is beyond me

you press the active before you go in.. you go in. and they already will 100% guarantee have thier first spell negated.

i mean we can look at this from both sides of 1 champion Nidalee , now right before i go in i can use the active, pounce in and get out. NOTHING can CC me. and the fact that i can pretty much become immune to ANY spell means my hp is effectively increased by a single spell. now maybe to really tanky champ this wont mean much.. but to squishy champ that get 1,2, or 3 shot.. this is the difference between getting out alive and being dead on arrival

at the same time you have an opposing Nidalee you see her coming towards you you press the active.. and now, what does she do? she cant go in for 10 seconds.. she isn't going to land TWO spears in that time.. and 10 seconds is MORE than enough time for anyone to get to safety anywhere on the map.

this item active is COMPLETELY BROKEN.

Nidalee Twitch Rengar Leblanc

i dont care if you AD or AP. the ability to block 1 spell alone more than offsets the cost of the item even if it gave ZERO stats and only gave you the active

and now we have the base stats and passive

+60 Attack Damage
+35 Magic Resist

UNIQUE Passive: +20 Lethality UNIQUE Passive: +20 Movement Speed our of Combat

first lets start off with 60 AD and 35 MR

so.. ad now have this item 3139 item 3156 all to build AD AND MR

while AP have item 3157 ?

i hear riot talk on yesterday stream about how AP wont probaly ever get a form of item 3140 /item 3139 becuase we have item 3157

ok.. fine.. then why do AD vs AP ALSO get item 3155 /item 3156 and now a NEW item?

Ad champ now have THREE item to build AD + MR. ALL with good actives non of which are unique and overlap and cant be used together

AP that want to build AP + armor we get item 3157 .. and thats it?

so what are we supposed to do vs and AD heavy comp now? build 3x item 3157 to counter thier 3 items?

WTF riot. this is absurd...

this is literally the most OP item concept i have EVER seen in this game...

as aNidalee main.. i guarentee you the FIRST item i get after finishing item 1410 will be this this absurdly broken item. it gives AD? WHO THE HELL CARES? i got a free spellshield!!!! i got +20 movement speed i got 35 mr.. and hell takedown has SOME ad scaling on it.

so my god.. riot.. have you gone INSANE?

you CAN'T have this item go live. it will 100% break the entire season... if it goes live in its current state

11 Comments

Craktite2 votes

I think literally the same...

Nahui2 votes

I think the idea is that AP is supposed to build heavier damage but less tankiness while AD is supposed to build tankier due to the nature of their more sustained damage. The champs that deal heavy AD burst typically can't afford to just build all these MR items. They removed armor pen from maw so now it gives very little AD for assassins. I think we will see that defensive item on fighters and bruisers more often now. Lethality seems to be a heavily stressed assassin trait, so I think the new item is meant to be a replacement. Rather than get an auto shield without thinking, you get effectively the same thing (the means to survive a whole spell, like maw did) but there is a delay and a window to use it in. It also can be easily procc'd. I honestly prefer fighting this new item to maw.

At least this you can trash toss a spell to break it. Maw you have to wait out or break it all the way.

Also, the reason AD gets higher tank stats is that AP gets more health-damage stats. The AD health items are often poorly utilized on fighters or assassins while the health AP items are almost universally good (save maybe liandries)

I H8 MY ADC2 votes

I cannot agree with you more. I really feel like riot need to calm down on the assassins power a little bit. Of course my opinion is biased as a mage only player but I really do believe AD completely outclasses AP in terms of items and now it is just ridiculous. All i ask for is just one more AP and Armour item

DeathBurst2 votes

riot.. you just gave EVERY champion in the game a sivir's spellshield. i know its not "instant" but... honestly this is GAMEBREAKING, first off it last 10 seconds... and the cooldown is 30 seconds

It's not more gamebreaking than giving every champ in the game a zed ult (duskblade) or a dash (protobelt). And for those 2 items, the boards were on fire too, but hey turned out OK... So, as they say around here, "calm your tits".

SwiftKitten881 votes

idk what else to say.. 10 second spell shield on a 30 second cooldown... for 3100 gold.

Elwe The Jungler1 votes

That's easily the most broken item I've ever seen lol So fucking stupid ... Wanna fight? Just build this shit plus banshees and any mage or spell reliant tank will hit you as hard as a wet noodle Is it suposed to be a buildpath for ad assassins? 'Cause I'm buying this thing even on Jax

WoonStruck1 votes

Its effectively not even as good as BV.

The channel is canceled by any damage dealt or taken, as well as non-damaging hostile effects.

SwiftKitten881 votes

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Its effectively not even as good as BV.

The channel is canceled by any damage dealt or taken, as well as non-damaging hostile effects.

u cast it before you go in.... all u need is a 1.5 second window of not taking damage... before u go in... that's not hard to do as any champ

WoonStruck1 votes

And BV is up before you go in, after you go in, until someone proc's it.

Use a little logic. BV is practically an un-used item.

If such a thing were so strong, you'd think it'd see use.

Skystrike71 votes

Tryndamere thanks riot for this amazing item.

urazielofthering1 votes

I don't really agree with the second half. Zohnias is very strong item to deal with assasin. The active i mostly agree on the other hand part of riots objective with assasin update is to prevent them just blowing up carries so for one fight will be longeur so more chance to deal with the assasin and 2 if this removes the damage and the adc builds this all he has to do is use the active at the same time as the assasin and it will end with a trade of active which is more valuable for the assasin than for the adc. i wouldn't be surprised it becomes the anti assasin item adcs need like the qss is the anti cc item.

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