What is wukongs counterplay?

Succubús GF··2 votes·1,238 views

Because there are select champions that ive played, i understand their concept, i dont quite undertstand how to beat him. Champions of that similar class, I.E Jax Riven etc. I have always had a hard time fighting. It just seems odd to have that high burst with standard tankiness

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Woodakoodashooda3 votes

Wukong has no built in sustain and no hard CC outside of his ultimate. He is also mana hungry throughout the game and must conserve his abilities for combo'ing enemies to death. All of his damage is AD burst and he relies more on his abilities than he does on his auto attacks. His mobility is mostly for engaging enemies. His decoy offers him little means of escaping threats as it provides him with no additional movement speed and his ultimate can be used as a method of escape as it does provide him with a movement speed bonus that increases over time. But he remains susceptible to all forms of crowd control including slows as he uses it.

Armor, heavy sustain champs, and champs with low CD crowd control are all methods of dealing with Wukong.

Swiftstrike42 votes

This guy does pretty good against himNasus as does Darius.

You could make the case that most juggernaut do pretty well against him because they are hard to burst down.

I think wukong is probably one of the most effective champions in the game because if he doesn't win his lane through force he can win it through teamfighting.

I hate that champion.

Woodakoodashooda1 votes

Darius doesn't counter Wu at all and beating Nasus as Wu can be almost as easy as beatiing Darius as Wu.

I use the Stormraider's mastery for my Wu games most times anymore and it's proven effective in both bursting down enemies quickly as welll as granting immunity to slows.

Beating Darius as Wu: Darius Q has a delay, when you see him about to use it, engage on him with E so as to avoid receiving a stack, then auto on him, then Q, and Storm Raider's Should proc after if not after another auto. So even if Darius tries slowing you, you can still make a get away and go in on him again after waiting out the duration of his passive.

Beating Nasus as Wu: Harass him and be sure to bring both Stormraider's and ignite. Bully him out of CS and ignite him at the start of a fight you believe will result in his death. Nas will repeatedly try slowing you, but Stormraider's will proc enough that he won't be able to keep up. Also, if allied minions are nearby allow Nas to use his weak AoE on you because Nas will take more damage from your minion aggro than you will from his AoE.

Brain Errör 4041 votes

You can definitely try to cheese Nasus before the first item. After he backs first and grabs either a frozen heart of a IBG, then wu auto loses that lane.

Sasogwa1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Chocolate Frost,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Mr7xyarP,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2016-11-04T10:21:07.226+0000)

Darius doesn't counter Wu at all and beating Nasus as Wu can be almost as easy as beatiing Darius as Wu.

I use the Stormraider's mastery for my Wu games most times anymore and it's proven effective in both bursting down enemies quickly as welll as granting immunity to slows.

Beating Darius as Wu: Darius Q has a delay, when you see him about to use it, engage on him with E so as to avoid receiving a stack, then auto on him, then Q, and Storm Raider's Should proc after if not after another auto. So even if Darius tries slowing you, you can still make a get away and go in on him again after waiting out the duration of his passive.

Beating Nasus as Wu: Harass him and be sure to bring both Stormraider's and ignite. Bully him out of CS and ignite him at the start of a fight you believe will result in his death. Nas will repeatedly try slowing you, but Stormraider's will proc enough that he won't be able to keep up. Also, if allied minions are nearby allow Nas to use his weak AoE on you because Nas will take more damage from your minion aggro than you will from his AoE.

Problem with Stormraider's setup is you lack in damage. Your all inning is weaker; and against a sustain champion it's like easier for him to just sustain through it. I'm afraid Stormraiders is not aggressive enough against Nasus, even if it allows to bypass his slow.

Swiftstrike41 votes

[{quoted}](name=Chocolate Frost,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Mr7xyarP,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2016-11-04T10:21:07.226+0000)

Darius doesn't counter Wu at all and beating Nasus as Wu can be almost as easy as beatiing Darius as Wu.

I use the Stormraider's mastery for my Wu games most times anymore and it's proven effective in both bursting down enemies quickly as welll as granting immunity to slows.

Beating Darius as Wu: Darius Q has a delay, when you see him about to use it, engage on him with E so as to avoid receiving a stack, then auto on him, then Q, and Storm Raider's Should proc after if not after another auto. So even if Darius tries slowing you, you can still make a get away and go in on him again after waiting out the duration of his passive.

Beating Nasus as Wu: Harass him and be sure to bring both Stormraider's and ignite. Bully him out of CS and ignite him at the start of a fight you believe will result in his death. Nas will repeatedly try slowing you, but Stormraider's will proc enough that he won't be able to keep up. Also, if allied minions are nearby allow Nas to use his weak AoE on you because Nas will take more damage from your minion aggro than you will from his AoE.

Maybe you are playing against a lot of bad Nasus players, but Wukong is one of my favorite matchups as a Nasus main. Any seasoned Nasus player should have an easy time against these champions in the top lane: Tryndamere Chogath MonkeyKing Riven Irelia Illaoi

Darius should do fine against wukong because wu has no sustain and the blood stacks will add up. A good darius will Q after you try to harass, him not prior. He will Q and pull you unless you decoy out. I don't play Darius, but I play against him enough to quickly determine if they are good with the champion or not by just examining how he uses his abilities and what order.

I almost never lose to MonkeyKing from laning against him and I have A LOT of MonkeyKing vs Nasus games since I almost exclusively play Nasus in ranked. There are two types of wukongs: (1) The ones that want to kill you in lane and will stay there until they do (2) The ones that will stay in lane until 6 and then roam.

The bad wukongs typically just stay in lane and try to kill me, which almost never works, and I win ALMOST all those games just from a crushing laning phase and putting wukong behind. As long as I don't die pre 6, wukong is pretty powerless against me and he is usually incapable of bursting me down because of how tanky I build. I don't need to catch wukong, I just need to push him out of lane and he might not be able to do enough damage for a storm proc.

I usually do fine in the match-up and don't get bullied out at all. His first 3 levels are the most dangerous, but he will lose all his mana pretty fast by constantly harassing. I make sure to also bulk up and I will just sustain through it, farm under tower, and for the most part be fine. If he has ignite, even better, because then he doesn't have TP and will linger in lane longer than he should with no mana. Then I can just kill him.

I have begun to face smarter/better wukongs pretty recently though as I have climbed, upper gold;low plat players. They play completely differently typically and fall into the second category.

They will realize they can't kill me, and will simply farm and conserve their mana.

Once they hit 6 they simply put pressure everywhere on the map. I usually can't respond that early and a TP wukong ult to the bottom lane or him walking to the mid lane and ulting is highly effective.

I lose a lot of games against wukong if he focuses on team play instead of killing me in lane, the good ones leave lane and ult everyone else's lane. They put pressure on other parts of the map before I am strong enough to descend from the top lane.

I have gotten close to banning him, just because I am tired of knock-up champs.

Paladin 0f Life1 votes

Was pink wards sigh

Alaric The Sic1 votes

Singed.

ItsOrval1 votes

Jayce beats almost all champions except:

Teemo Aatrox Chogath Fiora Kennen Olaf Pantheon Vladimir

So try Jayce out.

TyrekGoldenspear1 votes

How does Jayce not beat Aatrox? Is his sustain too high?

ItsOrval1 votes

A pro aatrox vs a pro jayce = Aatrox would win

A good aa vs a good jayce = jayce wins

OneMustFall1 votes

The best way to fight Champions that have high AD burst is to bait out their abilities and then all-in them when they have everything on cooldown. You usually have to build Armor against champions like that though because eventually they will be able to oneshot you too quick for you to fight back.

Michael Sykes1 votes

or just play poppy, block his engage with your w and stack armor while doing solid damage

Sahn Uzal1 votes

His lack of inbuild sustain makes him weak to getting poked. He's good at going in but not so good at getting out (Unless he outplays you with his W), so you should be able to gank him. if he itemises tanky, he can be peeled and CC'd later on. if he builds full damage, he's pretty hard to deal with, but a single Crowd Controll spell to stop him from getting his E > Q > R rotation off will really screw him over. He's also quite snowball reliant; get him behind and He'll stay behind for a while!

Bhagswag1 votes

I would feel comfortable going vs him as Shen.

Grimspeake1 votes

Play lee sin into him. If he tries to get away with decoy u just e and reveal him

Veraska1 votes

In lane you can beat him through poke and attrition, also tanky bruiser champions can be tough to deal with, guys like garen or renekton can smash wu

In the jungle his clear speed is slow and his hp gets really low in his 1st few backs, early game junglers wreck him, guys like lee sin, kha'zix and elise

In teamfights champions with good peel disengage are a problem, like janna or tristana, or again lee sin

His dmg is reliable and his burst is nuts when hes snowballing but he has no fallback patterns so hes very feast or famine

xBushx1 votes

Cass, Kennen, Lissandra, Ekko: are all great picks vs him too.

You just have to play around his power spikes and all ins. Force him to auto reset Q on minions to get them. All in as soon as it's down. Force clone. When clone off CD Kill him with any of the above...

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