Can Riot stop injecting free stats into champion reworks

ZzEslIolZQ··36 votes·1,463 views

and calling it a day. It's not healthy for the game and really it's just lazy. Hey look x champ is almost never played. Better give him all of this bullshit so they have to played or else you lose fufufufufu.

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Keevalroy23 votes

"Lol I don't know how to balance a kit so here's some true damage I slapped onto it."

Adrian Umbra9 votes

Looks at Mordekaiser rework

Looks away in sadness

The amount of stats he lost from the rework...

Silents4297 votes

Like who? Garen got less free stats from his rework.

MetalGearTeemu1 votes

people don't know how to fight garen. Darius is who you should be worried about once people adapt to him.

Silents4291 votes

Darius is one of the champions I never enjoy being against. Won't scream OP I just don't play the champions that beat him.

GastonBarnacles1 votes

Finally someone that sees it. Darius is really damn strong and he's getting a strong buff next patch. I think they need to remove the heal on his q. Garen, as a main (6 months ago), is weaker imo. He's easier to kill and the villain is usually not reachable. His early was nerf his late is about the same.

ZzEslIolZQ3 votes

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Like who? Garen got less free stats from his rework.

How about the dragon they just tacked onto Morde. Increased experience? 900% damage on Q? Like wtf.

True damage on Garen. This is Garen's second rework, the first time they also threw in a ton of dmg reduct on him and called it a day. The first iteration of this new rework had his spin doing true damage. For real.

They tried to throw a ton of stats onto Darius it just didn't work out but don't worry they're already buffing him cause he isn't permabanned.

Fiora? They tried so hard with all the random true damage and the healing yet they literally failed completely on this rework and made her a clunky mess yet she's still being picked cause they gave her a more bullshit yasuo wall.

Don't even need to talk about Skarner.

GPs barrels have 60% arpen. 60. That's more than a LW. Even Yasuo has to pop his ult to get free 50% bonus armor pen. And it's AoE. Not to mention the fact that GP's ult upgrades are more of Riot's staples slapped on like here have some true damage or here have some more mobility. Reworked boys.

I seriously question Riot's ability to properly value not just straight number stats, but things like mobility or invulnerability or certainlyt snowflake "mechanics". As in I don't think they take them into account at all. It started out with the manaless champions in season 1 that were no different from older mana champs and now we're here at double crit no mana free shields infinite flashes and I see no end in sight with the most recent reworks.

Silents4292 votes

You mean making interesting mechanics so champions feel unique and we won't be able to say 1 champion is simply better then another anymore?

That's what you don't like?

Because them doing this allows more angles to balance a champion and make them unique to play, instead of just slightly altered versions we can actually await the day we can't say X champion is just a better version of Y champion anymore because you can only do so much with kits before you need to add more to them.

Zaghyr2 votes

Doesn't sound lazy at all, and what are you to say if it's healthy or not? Hmm? Are you a profossional game designer with years of experience and actually know what you are actually fucking talking about?

ZzEslIolZQ3 votes

Cause I play the game and I'm not a tool. In fact I've been playing longer than a lot of these devs have been at Riot and it saddens me gypsylords idea of champion design is passives and stacks.

Zaghyr2 votes

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Cause I play the game and I'm not a tool. In fact I've been playing longer than a lot of these devs have been at Riot and it saddens me gypsylords idea of champion design is passives and stacks.

You've been playing games longer, or league longer? And even if you have played league longer than they have been at riot, playing is still all you have done. These designers play the game and make the game. Your lousy opinion is nothing compared to the word of designers that people like you bash, who make this game for us, and ACTUALLY KNOW WHAT THEY ARE DOING, THAT IS WHY THEY WORK THERE.

Keevalroy1 votes

Your lousy opinion is nothing compared to the word of designers that people like you bash, who make this game for us, and ACTUALLY KNOW WHAT THEY ARE DOING, THAT IS WHY THEY WORK THERE.

I wish you were even somewhat right. They design and balance for spectators and for what they want to see being picked. This has been the case for years and everyone but you white knight drones are picking up on it. They know what they're doing - it's just that what they're doing is fulfilling their own incompetent, selfish, contradicting, hypocritical, egomaniacal agendas. They're doing a damn fine job at_ that_.

Slamurai Jack2 votes

Giving "free" stats is how Riot pushes champions towards building and playing a certain way. There's nothing "free" about it.

Dengeden2 votes

What exactly constitutes as "healthy" then? All abilities being slowmoving projectiles with 2 second cast times so even a blind snail could dodge them? Some unique mechanic? Cuz that doesn't always work out fine and dandy Bard TahmKench Fiora

Let's be real here, if you've played this game for as long as you say you have, you should at least understand the reasoning behind these a-hem overloaded kits. If an ability is too straightforward, it's either do or die. It's either too easy to play around or incredibly overbearing. By giving them multiple stats and/or interactions (with each other), your build path becomes a lot more flexible and the enemy can attempt to disrupt said interactions at various points in time.

ButterBladesX1 votes

Played against a mordekaiser Jung and Fiona top yesterday. Now word to describe it is BuLLShit! The morde without sustain in jungle was insanely strong I as Darius with a few kills and my Jung sin would also had a few kills go to ambush him in the Jung and bam this fuk with no dmg items kills us. Don't even get me started on Fiona. I didn't even know what tank items to build cause she did about 3k true dmg in less the n half a second to kill means others

Ultîma2 votes

She must have had blink on 0 cooldown to reach all four corners of her ultimate in half a second.

ButterBladesX1 votes

Her parry helped her a lot too. My team struggled hard to just kill her. Best thing to do cc her and kill her FAST

Ulquiorra9951 votes

...So, you tried to fight a guy who in exchange for his damage is so sluggish that you can literally walk out of him and he killed you? What a surprise.

VDc0zCqe0w1 votes

Garen's rework is ok

Skarner rework is ok

Darius rework is ok

Mordekaiser rework is NOT ok at all

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