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VERY IMPORTANT ADVICE FOR NOOBS!

Radiant Wukong··4 votes·1,029 views

It's ok for your Ahri MissFortune Zed Azir MasterYi Katarina Talon Leblanc Ashe Zyra to build a item 3075 It's ok for your Cassiopeia Xerath Jinx Rengar Caitlyn VeigarLeeSin Fizz Heimerdinger Evelynn to build a item 3110 It's ok for your Lucian Kaisa Diana Vayne TristanaYasuo Twitch Ziggs Khazix KogMaw to build a item 3143

Sometimes it's the best thing you can do, but... you have to do it BEFORE THE ENEMY GETS FED! item 3047 item 3157 alone on Veigar will absolutely not keep you alive against a Talon or Zed mid lane.

As for magic resist, it's ok to rush item 3155 on Talon Zed Riven if you're laning against AP. That lethality can wait.

If you see the enemy team has a lot of CC in champ select, rush item 3111 and consider taking Precision as your secondary tree with Tenacity! You can choose your stat bonuses now, so that extra tenacity could really help without sacrificing your health or damage. Still getting locked down, good old item 3053 can be what you need.

The problem isn't being in a "damage meta". You people literally will be against a full AD, assassin team and refuse to build to have 150 armor while playing as Teemo. Teemo doesn't need a lot of damage, item 3151 item 3135 item 3020 item 3110 item 3001 item 3165 is a perfectly viable build. You're a lot better off with that than choosing item 3285 item 3089 over your defensive items!

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SwiftKitten883 votes

very important advise for noobs

those doing what the op says doesn't fucking work becuase damage is too high.

that kinda of thing only works if your champion has the scaling to support it

u dont fucking build a item 3075 on Ashe

hexdrinker DOES work becuase it also gives OFFENSE

building a item 3075 on ash is going to make it so u die in .6 seconds instead of .4. instead now u also have no chance of killing them back.

unless your playing a bruiser or a tank... this isn't going to work.

and the OP should know that

the things he listed in the first three lines not only won't help.. it will make things hell of a lot worse

if your and adc and u want to live longer.. and not get bursted.. u have items like item 3812 item 3080 item 3026 item 3046 ,, all of which provide defense without sacrificing any offense...

the only person who can build item 3110 effectively in that second line is LeeSin

and the only people who can build item 3143 effectively in his third line are Yasuo Diana and Khazix

SOME mages or mageish can get defensive items effectively (clearly arne't all of these are mages in the true sense )

for example.. Swain Vladimir Morgana Galio Mordekaiser Maokai Diana Amumu a

because they have the raw stats and the design and kit to just go into the the middle of the fight

if u build item 3075 on Katarina Zyra or any of the champion in the first line... with the exception of MAYBE MasterYi in ABSURDLY rare circumstances, you're utterly insane.

Radiant Wukong1 votes

Enemy team was Zed top Talon mid Shaco jg Yasuo carry Pyke support

item 3075 as a second or third item would have changed the game then fold!

SwiftKitten882 votes

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Enemy team was Zed top Talon mid Shaco jg Yasuo carry Pyke support

item 3075 as a second or third item would have changed the game then fold!

as an adc? no

first off you have no real need for grievous wounds. none of them have a self heal outside of pyke.. most of thier damage is burst. meaning items like item 3812 or item 3046 would come before armor, as that would drastically increase survive-ability with still maintaining damage

if they DID get armor.. the would go foritem 3143 because of the crit from Yasuo and Shaco no amount of armor is going to save you.

if u wanted to build DEFENSIVE you would have to forgo your entire build and not be able to kill them in return.. item 3143 COULD be bought. but item 3075 would be stupid, u dont need to slow thier attack speed. and u dont need grievous wounds. if you wanted armor item 3075 would NOT be your choice vs that comp.. the HP and the - crit is would u would need vs that comp and the slow would help prevent Pyke from escaping and keep him in visible range so he cant heal up

and even if u were.. facing somone like Warwick DrMundo u would get grievous wounds from item 3033 not item 3075 and then grab item 3153

the fact that u recommend item 3075 in that case just over item 3143 just shows how little u know

2nd.. seeing that team comp most any non masochistic person would have dodged anyways.. that's about the most toxic team i have seen in my life.. i would never play against that. that game would be miserable.. even if you did end up winning.

Zedthul1 votes

So I have a question if you looking to help newer players. If I'm playing like Janna or Taric in bot, my job is to keep the ADC alive if possible, slow or stun the enemy, and help feed the ADC right? Now in the vids I have been watching on supports I see they're purposely are letting the ADC get the last hit, which I know is helping to feed them. My question is how then are you suppose to level? I have been in games where I am 2 min in and still not got my second skill due to the ADC last hitting all the minions. It starts to feel like a real drag when you're starting to end up a full level then 2 and 3 behind your team you're sacrificing for them, keeping them alive, and at the end of the game after you have 25 assists and were the reason they won the game you get nothing for it, not even an honor. You end up dying a lot more cuz your behind on levels and the enemy teams ult smash you pretty hard. A lot of times it just feels bad man.

FOR JUSTICE1 votes

youre playing much too far back or are backing with giant waves crashing into the tower, because you gain exp just by being near a minion death.

Zedthul1 votes

Ah, Ok didn't know that. I will try and stay closer then and see if that helps. What happens if your ADC is not doing so well on CS then and it's actually the minions that are getting the last hit? Meaning you try and let them have last hit but they are missing and the minions are actually doing the killing? I take it you get nothing then?

FOR JUSTICE1 votes

all you get is the EXP in that instance. all a last hit gives you is the gold from the minion kill.

Radiant Wukong1 votes

You only need to be near the minions to get experience for them. You have to get closer to the action. If you're playing a Soraka, ideally you want to be right behind the caster minions, unless the enemy has a MissFortune carry then you play off to the side a little. As for Taric, you should be last hitting every time your passive is up, always keep a relic proc for cannon minion and remember melee minions are worth more gold than caster minions.

JoeAnarchy1 votes

{quoted}

So I have a question if you looking to help newer players. If I'm playing like Janna or Taric in bot, my job is to keep the ADC alive if possible, slow or stun the enemy, and help feed the ADC right? Now in the vids I have been watching on supports I see they're purposely are letting the ADC get the last hit, which I know is helping to feed them. My question is how then are you suppose to level? I have been in games where I am 2 min in and still not got my second skill due to the ADC last hitting all the minions. It starts to feel like a real drag when you're starting to end up a full level then 2 and 3 behind your team you're sacrificing for them, keeping them alive, and at the end of the game after you have 25 assists and were the reason they won the game you get nothing for it, not even an honor. You end up dying a lot more cuz your behind on levels and the enemy teams ult smash you pretty hard. A lot of times it just feels bad man.

getting assist also gives gold and EXP, just not as much as a kill, but you can still get gold and level up by assisting.

Radiant Wukong1 votes

Why is this being downvoted? If you downvote, please comment because and tell me why you disagree. Forewarning, I will be looking at your match history. If your match history supports my data, I will be using it against you. [slayer-jinx-wink]

Dz NuTZZZ1 votes

Im HELLA NOOB, and there right no matter how defensive I go it doesnt matter. Back acouple of years ago when I played, 1 offensive then a couple of defensive was just a smart move. I came back to this game after a year and am shock by the pure offensive power there is. ADC's top, no tanks, its insane. Defensively you used to punish ADC's top like it was unthinkable a garen with his defensive item oh god! Support and JG would be needed to stop garen from punishing you top. Now its like F-it Ill take ashe top and poke any tank to death. This meta has destroyed tanks sooooo hard. Forget top lane unless your a trolling ADC. Dont believe me ill 1v1 ill to prove it, out CS poke to death easy PK.

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