Evelynn?

The Ecdysiast·Feb 22, 2015·6 votes·956 views

Are they fixing Evelyyn? Or is it okay that her passive gives enemies vision at a higher range than you can place a ward and is as wide as every lane?

21 Comments

Ale non è maleFeb 22, 20156 votes

Evelyn problem isn't the passive, it's the terrible clear on jungle. The passive is made to make her powerful and early and mid game when enemies have limited vision and mana sustain so that eve could farm, walk up to lane without being seen while moving, and being able to unleash her combo on the enemy on almost full mana, and punish the lack of enemy vision by getting objectives everywhere in the jungle, while limiting his power in late game

The problem is that now she is terribad at clearing early and has no sustain, so that you can't really get ahead early and thus drag this advantage in mid game to make her relevant. When jungle was easier and Eve was one of the best picks, Riot though to limit her power by reducing her base damage and scaling at frst levels while increasing the scaling at the latest levels. Now that jungle is harder, Eve would need higher base damage at early levels to be able to perform well her supposed role

The EcdysiastFeb 23, 20151 votes

EXCACTLY. You're the one who should make this thread, sir. Though with the compensation they seem to be handing out, she might actually get a buff soon.

facemelter710Oct 23, 20151 votes

8 months and 5 nurfs later lololol rito plz

mirAcIeFeb 24, 20152 votes

Don't kill gromp. Kite kruggs, kite red, kite blue, base, buy jungle item, gank, kite wolves/chickens, kill scuttles. Idk, her early clear seems fine to me if you put some effort into it. Yes she's a melee, but she can still kite camps unlike other melee champions. I'm okay with the fact that you have to kite camps to be able to jungle more efficiently. Of course if they added more damage it would be nice, but I would still kite camps because it would allow me to save hp pots.

The only thing that I don't like is gromp. Cannot be kited, cannot be microed against. The dumbest thing imaginable.

Ale non è maleFeb 24, 20151 votes

Sorry? It is ok to skip camp while waiting for some hp and mana to regen and smite CD to reduce, but Eve early damage is just too low anyway. She has the slowest camp among traditional junglers at this point, even tankier junglers can clear camp at same speed or better right now

Even 10 more base damage on Q and E would make all the difference in the world for her

mirAcIeFeb 24, 20151 votes

She could use all kinds of buffs, of course. But she still can jungle pretty well, but a little slower than more conventional picks. Then again, they don't have permastealth, which is a very fun mechanic. And I didn't say you have to wait or skip camps. It's a jungle route that a lot of other junglers use. You don't have to wait for regen either, I said you should kite them, not stand and wait for the regen. There are working kiting patterns that reduce damage taken by jungle creeps drastically. For all except for Gromp. At least from my knowledge. Maybe someone knows how to kite him.

Ale non è maleFeb 24, 20151 votes

Eve focus is all on early and mid game power though, being able to jungle as well as early game Nautilus or Sejuani is not a sign of Eve being in a healthy state...Seju and Nautilus get a lot of late game power if they can get there to compensate for their striggule early but Eve? Eve don't get this That's why she needs to have decent to good early. All she needs is more base damage to clear camps faster earlier, not some strange kind of buffs. The fun thing is that Eve has a quite low base Ad and one of the highest Ad growth/level in the game, but this is pretty useless for her as she needs exactly the opposite thing to be relevant. A relevant help for her without even touch her at all could just be give her more base Ad and less scaling/level, and just this could completely change ehr state right now

mirAcIeFeb 24, 20151 votes

Unfortunately a Rioter stated on PBE board that they cannot allow Eve to be "strong", because they think her passive has no counterplay other than complete lane passivity. I find it weird myself since there is jungle warding, pink wards, her lack of cc and sticking power and a pretty big detection zone. All these make a lot of room for counterplay other than complete passivity, but hey, Riot already made up their mind. Just look at all the changes Evelynn has gone through for the past year. Each time players find a reliable working way to play Evelynn, they come in and nerf her.

Skia AsteriFeb 24, 20151 votes

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Eve focus is all on early and mid game power though, being able to jungle as well as early game Nautilus or Sejuani is not a sign of Eve being in a healthy state...Seju and Nautilus get a lot of late game power if they can get there to compensate for their striggule early but Eve? Eve don't get this

http://champion.gg/champion/Evelynn/Jungle

From all the hits her early game has taken, she is better later in the game at the moment as show in the graph on the right hand side of the page (consistent with the data from previous patches).

Her clears would be fine is Gromp was not so much more difficult than every other camp for her in terms of damage taken.

19348180DEL1Mar 5, 20151 votes

Evelynn

My camp clear speeds are fine. Plus... I can solo dragon at level 3.

Shhh, Ancient Shadow Secrets!

OhOkYeahFeb 22, 20152 votes

you can sneak up and flash, hit q r e and do like 200 dmg. Thats pretty op

The EcdysiastFeb 23, 20151 votes

200 damage? Is that supposed to be a lot?

OhOkYeahFeb 23, 20151 votes

Bro, 200 damage. Think about it. That's more than enough. Lulu can come along to do the other 1800 damage thanks to all that amazing burst eve has.

The EcdysiastFeb 23, 20151 votes

Upvoting you because I needed the explanation to get the joke. Yeah, she needs a major buff.

Jungle Lux GodFeb 22, 20151 votes

I think the ward that is as wide as every lane that you are referring to is the Mandrake Ward, which probably won't come out for another couple patches.

At the very least, this item would be available as a targetted counter to Evelynn, but would also be a good counter to other stealth junglers like Shaco and the rare jungle Twitch.

I would, at the very least, expect compensation buffs to Evelynn and maybe Shaco, but since the item was removed on PBE no one has any idea.

The EcdysiastFeb 23, 20152 votes

No, that's not what I'm saying. What I mean is the cast range of a ward is actually smaller than the radius at which Evelynn becomes visible to enemies. Meaning an enemy in a bush can see EVe before she places a ward to see them.

And that radius on her passive is as wide as every lane, so sneaking up on people ends up being the same as sneaking up with a non-stealthed jungler.

Jungle Lux GodFeb 23, 20152 votes

I see. I misunderstood what you were saying with Eve's passive, and interpreted it as talking about the Mandrake Ward on the PBE.

I do still think that Eve will get buffed when the Mandrake Ward comes out though.

Duke AnaxFeb 24, 20151 votes

The thing you forget here is that Eve can't be seen by minions and green wards, so she can sneek a bit further that most champs, especially when the enemy is around a corner.

Also her detection range is still shorter than regular vision.

19348180DEL1Mar 5, 20151 votes

Evelynn Greetings.

To me, I am in a highly functional position. Considering that I may not always go straight for clears, and may gank, you need to have some way of being able to detect me if I choose go straight to the lane after red or blue buff. It is a clear definable weakness in my kit that can be exploited. And this weakness is, imo, a very suitable healthy weakness, considering that I will most likely pass through any ward undetected in the early stages due to lack of Pink Wards until someone has the gold to go back and buy one. No one starts with Pinks these days anymore, and if they do, its a major gimp to their early game progression of strength, something I always hope that you mistakenly do.

Now on the other hand, if Riot doesn't mind increasing the range at which I can cast Hate Spike due to its lowered projectile speed, that would be a step in the right direction, in my opinion.

But overall. I think I'm fine as is.

Poptart EvelynnMar 5, 20151 votes

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Greetings.

To me, she is in a highly functional position. Considering that you may not always go straight for clears, and may gank, you need to have some way of being detected if you go straight to the lane after red or blue buff. It is a clear definable weakness in her kit that can be exploited. And this weakness is, imo, a very suitable healthy weakness, considering that she will most likely pass through any ward undetected in the early stages due to lack of Pink Wards until someone has the gold to go back and buy one. No one starts with Pinks these days anymore, and if they do, its a major gimp to their early game progression of strength.

Now on the other hand, if Riot doesn't mind increasing the range at which she can cast Hate Spike due to its lowered projectile speed, that would be a step in the right direction, in my opinion.

Bronze. Says Eve is in a good spot.

HAHAHAHA.

Oh god my sides.

19348180DEL1Mar 5, 20151 votes

I'm not referring only to myself. TheOddOne says she's very strong. And he is not Bronze. Though I do like to speak from my own experience. If thats not good enough, you could pay heed to his statements in various interviews about Evelynn's strengths. And I do agree with him. They are all over the web. Good luck, summoner!

Edit: I did suggest a boost to the range on the Casting of hatespike. That's my only real gripe at the moment.

Personal attacks on the forum? Tsk Tsk.