PSA: If you take ignite top and lose lane

Hey, I play Yorick when I need to shut down a lane or 2v1, but aside from his ult on a carry he isn't too useful late game

I think the argument is more that tp is more useful. If ignite is a counter to mundo or something it might serve a greater utility, but honestly just build morello's. However, the argument is that TP will have a greater impact in the majority of instances than ignite will and so you have given the enemy a significantly larger advantage than just losing lane.

For example, ignite can clean up a kill or deal w/ shield or something. TP can take a tower that is pushed you wouldn't have been able to get to in time (like before enemy respawns, or it is low hp tower, but enemy could get back to defend it in time if you don't have tp for it), which is multiple kills worth of gold (like 1k right?). Also TP can get you to a team fight where team was being chased 3v3 or something and you turn it around w/ advantage and take objectives off the ensuing 4 or 5v2.

Yeah, it still has its uses, but the map pressure from TP tends to be a lot better late game since it allows you to split the focus of the enemy team, if you have TP and they don't you get this kind of situation: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93YMYIXiOIw

I play a lot of Mundo....

If my enemy takes TP I'm almost guaranteed to win lane.

If they take ignite I can't think about straight up dueling them which is fine for Mundo but I don't tend to get fed in those games.

Think you missed the "compared to other choices part"

I try telling him but he's one of those feisty guys that want kills and are blood thirsty. He uses ignite like with any one and I keep telling him to use teleport because I believe it's more useful that ignite. When he does actually use teleport the enemy always uses ignite and he is not the best player ill just say that :P

Note that I said there's no reason to take ignite for the GW, if you want to go for solo kills that's fine but as I said in the OP if you lose lane the game can only be won if the enemy screws up

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champions that still need to snowball early take ignite top ie riven pantheon fiora cuz if your not getting early kills your just ganna get outscaled and owned

Pantheon takes Ignite top cause his Ult is all the TPing he needs :D

Holy shit I forgot about the 40% caveat on Morellos's lol. Yeah, I'd tried to specify just team comps it works on since a mana based mid who scales well w/ CDR can usually build it if the team needs the debuff, and you know if it's like zed mid or something that won't build it at champ select. The 40% though is a huge thing I forgot and definitely changes it. Thanks for pointing that out. Makes way more sense now.

Lee sin doesn't need flash? I hope you're joking... Almost every Lee I've ever seen had flash simply because it's a great summoner. You can ult-flash to instantly knock people back into your team, with W-R you still give them around 0.3s to react and CC you or simply flash away before you can kick.

this is pretty spot on but there is more to it.

It also greatly depends on your team composition. If your composition is one that is all group to win, the extra ignite will help you win the team fights. If you are using a split push comp teleport is your better option. There may be times when teleport can be used early in the game to your advantage for sure, like taking an early dragon or to help a lane in a serious battle, but if your composition is that of the first example that teleport may quickly become less effective than an ignite.