It would really suck if you broke his original kit with the rework, then just left him to stagnate. A real dick move to all of us old Veigar mains.
Luckily you are Riot, and you have been delivering on your promise to keep watching and balancing Veigar. Right?
Lafouboy5 votesBe honest. What can Veigar do better than everyone else? It sure isn't bursting. He is as single target as Leblanc with less reliable burst. And Ekko's ult does more damage than Veigar's IN AN AOE.
xl Kirito lx7 votesBe honest. What can Veigar do better than everyone else? It sure isn't bursting. He is as single target as Leblanc with less reliable burst. And Ekko's ult does more damage than Veigar's IN AN AOE.
Leblanc doesn't scale off opponents AP, and Ekko's ult isn't a skill shot. I get that Veigars in a bad place, but be honest. He was slightly toxic before the nerfs.
Demonsolder213 votesI didnt find him toxic at all...
IcyPepper5 voteshave you seen the complaints about Ekko's W? Imagine if that was instant cast, didn't require him to be in it, and Ekko's damage scaled off the enemy's AP as well as his own.
And let's not even get started with Annie or Irelia.
People don't like instant stuns with nukes.
Kouga1 votesBe honest. What can Veigar do better than everyone else?
Hard shut down the enemy APC. That's always been his key defining aspect - yeah he had a broken AoE insta-stun, but his role beyond being a mage, was being The Mage That Fucked Up Your Mage.
Is that always relevant? Absolutely not. Teams are more commonly AD-based. Or the enemy mage might scale better off of base damages/mPen builds (Sorc/Guise/Abyssal) than building the raw 120-AP trifecta. But when they did try to pull the High-AP mage? Oh boy. Veigar was there to smack them down.
Spicy Rice3 votesHard shut down the enemy APC. That's always been his key defining aspect - yeah he had a broken AoE insta-stun, but his role beyond being a mage, was being The Mage That Fucked Up Your Mage.
Is that always relevant? Absolutely not. Teams are more commonly AD-based. Or the enemy mage might scale better off of base damages/mPen builds (Sorc/Guise/Abyssal) than building the raw 120-AP trifecta. But when they did try to pull the High-AP mage? Oh boy. Veigar was there to smack them down.
Problem is, that without an amazing amout of ap + the enemy having alot of ap, it's pretty hard for veig to 100-0 a mage. Back when he had dfg and a 120 ap ratio, he could do his job. Now it requires your opponent to either be stupid enough to get stunned with 0 mr, or for them to be stupid enough to get poked down in lane and then stay anyways
Kouga1 votes[{quoted}](name=Spicy Rice,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=MWEEGxEw,comment-id=000000010000,timestamp=2015-06-22T01:45:35.681+0000)
Problem is, that without an amazing amout of ap
He actually scales faster now by doubling his potential Q-AP gain...
the enemy having alot of ap
like I said above, this won't always be the case, but he's designed for those games where the enemy will have a lot of ap. Its situational, yes, but that's okay.
it's pretty hard for veig to 100-0 a mage. Back when he had dfg and a 120 ap ratio, he could do his job.
I'm not saying he should always be able to fully 100-0 the enemy immediately - there has to be some give and take. The point is just Veigar is designed to be a major threat to an enemy High-AP-Scaling Mage and he is. Maybe he can't 100-0, but maybe he can 90-0. or 80-0. The point is, the threshold of Oh-Shit-I'm-About-To-Die is a lot lower against Veigar than against many other mages because of his Q/Ult scalings.
Stiv12343 votes... Right?
Sugar Mantis3 votesI have trouble seeing where youre coming from here... Veigar was my first main, and I personally enjoy the rework. Sure, hes different now. But he scales faster. His q can get 2 ap in one shot if you do it right, and although his e isnt as reliable anymore, it serves as a great threat now as well as aoe crowd control. Although you wont stun as much, you can use it to try and make opponents back off. It has more defense to it, while it lost some of its offense.
His w is good as a finisher or just as decent dmg, and probably my least favorite part of his kit.
His ult however is fantastic. It makes him a great anti-mage. Its a point and click NUKE that scales off not just your ap, but your opponents. It offers NO counterplay aside from a well timed spell shield or zhonyas.
Ekko's ult is hard to land, and easy to predict. It gives you a clear warning of where it will be. If you get hit by that, its completely your fault. Besides, Veigar gains ap over the entire game. His ult only gets stronger.
I get it. Veigar isnt as strong as other mages right now. He never really was. However, you need to find a way to make Veigar work if youre gonna play him. I found a way that works for me, and it hasnt let me down yet. So test around with other items. Change what you normally do and find out what items you prefer on him. He can still hold his own with the best.
Kingsgrave2 votesThey never claimed they were going to do that.
FatesDefiler2 votesi said veigar was op like 3 years ago. used to see games where entire teams would run from this one character. this little dude chasing around 5 people because anyone that got in his stun range was instantly deleted. his rework should have happened earlier.
BigPooStorm1 votesYou can thank Korean competitive for getting Veigar reworked.
Demented Lemur1 votesVeigars is fine he does a shit done of damage and has counter play which is if you jump on him he very squishy and hes not as good in lane as he once was as there counterplay to his E but his damage is so high that he can nearly one shot tanks plus an aoe stun is pretty powerful in team fights
Partholonian1 votesThe OP seems kinda sarcastic, but Veigar honestly is more balanced than he was last season. It's just that some people liked abusing his OP aspects, so of course they're unhappy with a more balanced Veigar.
PVPMage1 votesbeing a veigar main that plays with golds and plats, and consistently gets fed and wrecks late game, all id say veigar needs is a weaker early game and make the stun delay shorter the higher its level. as it stands i can one shot people easily with his quite fast and easy to hit skillshots. he just needs a crapton of practice