https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bf6JXRqZffI&feature=youtu.be
Except... Jhin killed me in two autos, and does more than a FED ASSASSIN per auto. Remind me in what way ADCs are weak or even fair?
Edit: Since people seem to think Jhin is the outlier, here's one of a Vayne that was feeding!
Notice I even healed a good portion of her damage with my W? And when I ulted so Lux could keep vision, I died near instantly, huh.
Darkdemon6536 votesIt's funny because you killed that GP faster than Jhin killed you.
Niyumi2 votesWell gee, that's kind of my job as an ASSASSIN, and I was also like, you know, 11/2, so. Plus I had Ahri doing damage to him too. Jhin not only two shot me, but two shot Ahri immediately after.
Iota Theta1 votesAt that point it'd be a 1v2. She should've run.
Niyumi1 votesEverything in Leo's kit was on CD, and Ahri is, you know, an assassin -- the class meant to destroy ADCs and other carries they can get to.
But if ADCs could die, then LC$ wouldn't be interesting.
Iota Theta1 votesAhri is technically a Mage first, not an assassin. She's a burst mage, which is similar to an assassin, but a mage nevertheless.
They do die, but when they're targeted. Had you jumped on Jihn and not GP, he would've died just as fast as GP
Ralanr4 votesJhin isn't a dps adc so idk what you expect.
Niyumi1 votesI expect effort to yield proper reward, and lack thereof to have less reward.
Automatically aimed, unmissable, resourceless attacks that (often) fire off more than twice a second at absurd range with little to no drawback, no counterplay, the highest sustain, the highest damage (short and long-term), the highest item diversity, an item to cover for any weakness or fuckup, an entire class dedicated to keeping them from killing themselves...
In short, the easiest, most reliable class in the game. <-- THIS SHOULD NOT BE REWARDED
I expect braindead champions like ADCs to have severe drawbacks for being so braindead. If they don't want to put in any effort or thought, then they should not be rewarded for that. If they wanna have the highest damage, they need to lose their sustain. If they wanna have the highest sustain, they need to lose their god tier damage or range. Something needs to give, and they need to be overall weaker than harder champs.
But, as it is, the competitive pool is only ~40 champs for a reason. No reason to play the more complex champs since they do less damage and are less reliable -- just gimping yourself.
Atuko2 votesI expect effort to yield proper reward, and lack thereof to have less reward.
I expect braindead champions like ADCs to have severe drawbacks for being so braindead. If they don't want to put in any effort or thought, then they should not be rewarded for that.
ADC characters are fragile and team-reliant, they need an entire team playing around them or else the literal entire enemy team will hunt them down and blow them up at the start of a teamfight because they're that big of a priority target. Play a game as an immobile ADC and come back and tell me more about how "braindead" it actually is, top lane/jungler main
There are actual mechanics you need to learn in order to be an actual decent ADC (attack-move/auto-attack animation cancelling/orb-walking), hurr durr standing in place and holding right click is only going to get you so far
There's your drawback and effort
Niyumi1 votesADCs are not fragile by any means. We have several items that make them draintank gods. And Vayne, Draven, Twitch, and others can actually 1v5 and win half the time.
And if you look, I have many ADCs with 60-80k mastery, and I mained Jhin for half of S6. I play every role, and almost 100 champs -- I've got rank 7 on 30 champs, and the tokens for another 7-8, as well as tokens for rank 6 on another 20 champs and rank 6 on yet another 20 champs. I don't main anything.
And having played HUNDREDS of ADC games... I stand by it being braindead. It feels like cheating.
Oh and as far as mechanics go... they don't exist for ADCs in League. Maybe in DOTA, but not League.
Atuko1 votesWe have several items that make them draintank gods.
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We also have items to take that away from them
A competent team has these items in their inventory, damages an ADC, therefore applying Grevious Wounds to them
Congratulations, their healing is reduced by 40% and they can't lifesteal their health back up anymore
Vayne, Draven, Twitch, and others can actually 1v5 and win half the time.
If they get absurdly fed enough early to do so? Most certainly, I've seen it happen before
That reflects more on the skill of the players in that game rather than the champions themselves to allow such a thing to happen in the first place
if players aren't skilled/experienced in the match-up enough to handle laning phase properly and they allow a hypercarry to get super charged up early, they're gonna get outplayed
Also, see above point once more
Niyumi1 votes
We also have items to take that away from them
A competent team has these items in their inventory, damages an ADC, therefore applying Grevious Wounds to them
Congratulations, their healing is reduced by 40% and they can't lifesteal their health back up anymore
So, 400/s healing x 0.60 = 240/s healing. Short of a literal one shot, you're still going to outsustain everything thrown at you unless you're CC locked. Lot of good lifesteal does.
See, GW is only any good against champs that rely on chunky heals. ADCs, since they attack more than twice a second, heal much faster and in a smoother pattern, and can basically just ignore the effect of GW.
If they get absurdly fed enough early to do so? Most certainly, I've seen it happen before
Don't have to be fed. You can be 0/20, but if the game goes on long enough, you buy items and become a god -- no matter how good or bad you are.
Atuko1 votesDon't have to be fed. You can be 0/20, but if the game goes on long enough, you buy items and become a god -- no matter how good or bad you are.
That goes for all classes, if the game goes on long enough and enough gold is generated, everyone can reach their late game builds
But that's ONLY if the game lasts long enough, most people know how to end out games with an advantage
Niyumi1 votesNot necessarily. A full build ADC is ALWAYS going to beat a full build anything else.
Atuko1 votesA full build ADC is ALWAYS going to beat a full build anything else.
In a 1v1 setting? Sure, I guess
In a teamfight setting where everyone else is full build, supports have all their heal/shield items, tanks are fully stacked walls of health, mages are fully charged and everyone's objective on their teams is to throw all their CC at the enemy ADC and make sure they are dead first? Not so much
Marshbouy3 votesYou forgot about Leona. Also, judging by the amount of damage you dealt, the fact that it was crit, and the fact that leona was hitting you for a good 250 damage you're probably building a full crit build in this game. Are you honestly expecting to tank ANY damage at all? Especially when you are stunlocked by a full leona combo?
Niyumi1 votesNow see, the only way an assassin can even do what their class is meant to do is to build enough damage to quite literally one shot the carry. If you don't, you die -- as you saw above. Only took him two autos.
I'm not expecting to tank damage, I just expect the, you know, braindead class, to not be massively rewarded for right clicking. There is no reason for him to burst just as hard as, or harder than, an assassin. Especially considering my combo has a 50s CD, while his autos have no CD or cost whatsoever.
Iota Theta1 votesYou can't discount how leona played that, since she locked you down hard with ult, E, and I'm guessing Q. So she dealth damage since you have no MR, and her sunlight passive would've increased jihn's damage slightly. You might've survived had you built GA over IE.
You also dumped your burst into GP, leaving you open to Leona as well as Jihn's last 2 shots (who also built lethality like you did). Dove into a 2v3, bursted one but left yourself effectively defenseless against Leo and Jihn. What did you expect to happen? That he just fall over and die after you killed GP?
Niyumi1 votesConsidering Leona blew her entire combo on me, and Jhin was out of ammo while Ahri was full health with GP dead... I figured he'd die. But he killed Ahri in two autos without Leo even helping -- and Ahri landed her E too.
And I also expected to not take 1700 damage in two autos from Jhin, so I could use my W twice and get away without dying (having stopping their push). But that's too reasonable.
Iota Theta1 votesSo lets see, for the damage you took..
Level 17 Rengar, 0 armor in items, +9 in runes puts you at 81-82 armor. He had 36 lethality (I guestimated about level 14. Hard to tell on my phone screen), so ignoring about 32 of your armor, putting you down to 50. Add the damage from Leona, the crits from Jihn, the duskblade proc, and possible RFC at some point?
Plus Jihn is a burst ADC and not a dps one because he can't increase his attack speed and can't reload faster. He is also squishy. Had you jumped him and not GP, you most likely would've survived that fight. An assassin doesn't just dive headfirst like that, because you just get focused and die.
jwebb01131 votesso vs 3 crit full damage champs you think a GA or ninja tabs or maybe a deadsman plate isnt viable ?
and you build 100% glass cannon and wonder why if you go in when there are 3 of the enemy there even though you killed one the other two shouldnt kill you ?
Shadòw2 votesTalking about "shouldn't be rewarded for just braindead rightclicking" while playing Rengar.
lol.
HonestJohnTheCon3 votesJhin's secondary role is Assassin, actually. Also, he's a squishy long-range sniper with little-to-no mobility. If you had jumped on Jhin instead of GP for instance, he would have gotten one-shot.
Most ADCs can't burst you down that fast, even hypercarries.
Niyumi1 votesOh but see, GP's Q does around 800-1000 damage too, and with Leona there I was dead anyway.
And yes, nearly every ADC does that. Though instead of two autos, it's six in the span of two seconds. The one and only exception is Ashe, but you can't even touch her before you die, so she's bullshit in her own way. I can go record games against Vayne, Trist, Koggy, Lucian, MF, Jhin and so on if you want. Try to tell me they don't instantly kill you then.
But we'll just keep pretending crit and ADC items aren't an issue. It's just supports being broken.
4G PnutCollida2 votes"ADC's weak"
Where did you hear that lmao - Most people I've heard say that ADC's are broken.
Also, have you never played against Jhin? He's basically supposed to do that, but in turn is really squishy - the trade off.
EDIT: Dude... your rengar. If you use ult, and Q him, he would at most get one shot at him
jwebb01131 votesnot just that he is squishy, he is immobile , and cant auto attack like normal adcs
his 4th shot is guaranteed crit and do a % of the targets missing hp as bonus physical damage
jhin also is one of the few adcs who end up with 600 raw ad late game. but gated by his ammo system
Niyumi2 votesWell, Riot implies that ADCs are weak since they keep buffing them, literally everyone on these forums tells me ADCs do no damage until 2 hours into the game and die the moment you so much as look at them funny, and most people in-game say that ADCs are not broken in the slightest. So...
And I've played against Jhin many times. I also have over 100k mastery on him and mained him for most of S6. He is not squishy once he builds lifesteal, nor is any ADC. But we pretend that they are because they're lucrative and flashy.
Marshbouy3 votesliterally everyone on these forums tells me ADCs do no damage until 2 hours into the game and die the moment you so much as look at them funny
This is such a stupid statement that I can't even laugh at it.
Niyumi2 votesGo look through my post history. Literally any post I complain about ADCs or melee ADCs, they tell me that they do no damage without 2-3 items, and can't even fight people until 25 minutes into the game, and die the moment you attack them -- which is absolute bullshit, but whatever.
Atuko2 votesJhin isn't a DPS ADC, so your point isn't really valid in the first place
Jhin also used two abilities during that interaction with you between those auto-attacks, so that's two auto attacks and two abilities
You got outplayed by Leona, you're a glass cannon assassin who got CC locked against a burst ADC at 30+ minutes
Leona's passive also causes whoever she CC's to take bonus damage
Rins Thigh Socks2 votesNo defense against a Jhin, one of maybe 3 ADs who focuses on burst because they can't dps well, and you ate a W as well as two instances of Leona passive and her base damages. Might've also taken a Jhin Q but I can't see.
Idk what point you're trying to prove when you walked into that one.
TyrekGoldenspear2 votesSo... You build no armor and are surprised when you get hurt by physical damage?
Iota Theta2 votesYeah..you missed everything against Vayne, who is known to be a duelist and took her E to the tower to get stunned..in the middle of her minion wave. And again, no armor, no health, no crit reduction, no tabi (only defense has been merc treads). You build like a squishy, then run at the duelist adc with no defense, miss every ability in the middle of the enemy minions, took her conditional stun, and are shocked you lost?
