Made a post a while ago about this. But happened to me again yesterday.
Basically, in my elo, people whosupp morg think its perfectly fine to lay puddle under backline minions "to poke" the enemy.
All that does is screw me over on last hitting and shoves lane if im trying to freeze it in the right spot.
So now i just dodge.
Rem Was Here6 votesAs a morgana player, you seem to be an annoying little shit, like fuck man, just enjoy the damn game and stop being on tilt, you know you weren't going to hit those minions so, the point is really invalid, people like you, ruin other's people fun, just because your greedy ass is not having fun doesn't mean you have to ruin it for everyone else, if you don't like the game just stop playing, you need to appreciate what the supports do for you, cause for the first 20 minutes, they are babysitting your ass not all lanes get that only adcs...
PDE5 Inhibitors2 votesSo basically in your argument he is a little shit for ruining your fun, but it's perfectly acceptable to ruin his? I mean, it's a perfectly fine request to ask you to stop pooling the back lane minions...I'm not sure what you find so offensive about that...
Z Statistic1 votesWhat he's crying about is ludicrous. Lanes do not freeze in a 2v2 scenario. Freezes get broken through waveclear or aggression. You cannot freeze midlane because both people have waveclear. You cannot freeze botlane easily or for long because either one or both of you have waveclear and can punch that shit to reset it. And if the enemy is zoning you, you can push the wave via harass. Botlane will naturally push, whether you freeze it or not.
The only lane where freezing is a huge part of laning is top due to the nature of top lane.
PDE5 Inhibitors1 votesWhy can't you freeze bot lane? I seem to be able to do it, or at least what I think freezing the lane is.
Z Statistic1 votesBecause virtually every ADC has waveclear and every support is constantly trying to put pressure on the enemy. Both of those things will break a freeze.
What you think is freezing is not freezing. Freezing is being able to have the creep line stay in front of your tower for at least 8 waves without moving an inch. This can be repeatedly be done top lane. A similar thing can be attained bot lane, but it's not nearly as sustainable or as stable.
Freezing a lane is not making it move slowly towards the enemy tower or building up a bunch of minions to assault the enemy for a gank. It is purely keeping the creep line as close to you tower as possible without moving at all.
PDE5 Inhibitors1 votesLol, I know that's not freezing. I mean, you might not be able to do it for 8 waves, but you can certainly do it for some...which is still really good. Being silver/gold elo, I don't have many strengths, but I think my cs is typically pretty decent.
Z Statistic1 votesThat's not the point. Freezing means the thing isn't moving at all. The reason it stays still for 8 waves isn't because it's just not pushing fast enough to count; it's literally not moving. You SHOULD try to freeze a lane when it's feasible, but it's just not going to happen bot lane. What will instead happen is a slow build up of your minions as you're "freezing" which will then assault the enemy. But since THEY have waveclear, now THEY can halt the wave.
So you've effectively "frozen" the wave against you in the long run. Unless you're doing this specifically for a gank, it's much better to just push and keep the total minion count low. Once you get better, then work on actual freezing.
PDE5 Inhibitors1 votesI don't know, been working for me lol.
DREADN0UGHT1 votesSo, what you are saying is that i should stfu and adapt to stupid decision making from scrublord players like you? No thanks, ill dodge and head into a game I can win.
TeemoJenkins1 votesThat's unfortunate that so many Morg's have made you salty. I like her as support, especially with the current keystone state. Continue dodging, it will drop you down to my elo and I can show you the greatness of a good Morg support.
Deep Terror Nami1 votesIf you don't want them to push the lane, ask them not to do that.
DREADN0UGHT1 votesWhenever i do that i get toxic replies. The usual LoL community response.
Dominick Destine1 votesLevel 1 Tormented Soil with minimal AP does almost nothing to minions.
Support Morg never levels Soil first either.
Underworldvisito2 votesPlease...we're talking about low elo here. Of course they max out w first and build full AP.
Dominick Destine1 votesWell that would be the fault of the player, not the champion.
Support Morg is very good, arguably one of the top 5ish support champs.
Underworldvisito1 votesYeah, I know, and he does too. But he is saying that morg players in his elo aren't that good.
Aeolian Melodies1 votesMade a post a while ago about this. But happened to me again yesterday.
Basically, in my elo, people whosupp morg think its perfectly fine to lay puddle under backline minions "to poke" the enemy.
All that does is screw me over on last hitting and shoves lane if im trying to freeze it in the right spot.
So now i just dodge.
Depending on how it's placed, it could also be because she's zoning the enemy ADC from a few last hits, which is a good thing. Granted if your plan is to freeze, it no longer works, but then you should just tell her. And if you aren't able to CS in lane (not under tower) because of Morg's W, that's on you.
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And if you aren't able to CS in lane (not under tower) because of Morg's W, that's on you.
By your logic, if I'm walking on a rope to cross a gap, and a friend makes the rope woble and I fall, its "on me"
When I play ranks, i play to win. Sure I have fun, but performance matters. I like to play ADC, and a big part of playing Adc in lane is about getting ahead in farm. If i miss 2 cs per wave because my support is trying to clear the backwaves for me, its not making it any easier.
If i have tribush, the last thing I need is a shoved lane, so a support should NOT be dealing dmg to the minions. Its basic logic. Let the adc deal with the lane control.
I don't care for norms, i play it for shits and giggles. But ranks? I play them to perform and win.
I don't see why that kind of opinion is deserving of downvotes. I think its a simple request. I just don't want my supp to shove the lane..