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Scratch the Akali rework until her VGU, please.

Neidox··61 votes·3,387 views

Just don't do it. There's nothing remotely exciting about it when compared to the others, its just an all around nerf bat, worst than Negan's bat. You made her more clunky than she already is. Why have cooldowns for almost everything gone up? E? triple cooldown at max rank. You can say "its got double the damage" it scales off of bonus AD now, not total. Just this was enough of a nerf, but the extra cooldown is just shooting a dead horse.

Her ultimate, let me repeat that ULTIMATE!!! now has a 2-second internal cooldown. What does that mean? Shes not as fast or agile, or assassiny as she is now. She will most definitely feel way different to someone who plays Akali often. I already have a cooldown on charges, you mean I have a cooldown on when I can use the next one? But they flashed in those 2seconds, Leblanc just double dashed away using her ultimate in half a second, but Akali, you gotta wait two seconds missy.

Her passive now has a cooldown. Her first auto attack now heals her. Her second auto attack does bonus damage. I would just like to say that I love the interaction between her current passive. Twin disciplines as it is now just feels how the passive is named, the interaction between Akali's passive's stats is actually kind of cool in my opinion. DISCIPLINE OF FORCE: Akali's basic attacks deal 6% (+ 1% per 6 AP) of her AD as bonus on-hit magic damage. DISCIPLINE OF MIGHT: Akali permanently has 6% (+ 1% per 6 bonus AD) spell vamp. Just reading the passive is confusing but when you realize how it works it makes sense, now her passive is. You have this much attack damage or ap? You do this flat amount of damage, or heal for this flat amount. Absolutely boring.

So please, just don't do it. Its very easy. You just have to literally do nothing! Maybe really focus on her VGU that was mentioned, not whatever this is.

98 Comments

Schàdenfreude23 votes

The funny thing is that people keep telling us to try these shit reworks cough shaco and akali cough out because we obviously don't have any powers of judgement or foresight about these reworks and so we won't know how strong they really are.

Waaaaay too many delusional optimists on the boards.

Neidox19 votes

You can just tell by looking a the numbers and descriptions how bad this ones going to be. Nothing to bait us in like Morde's rework. No shiny dragon for us!

Limmie10 votes

Somehow I feel that the random dash was what they intended to be the bait. It's the only explanation for it, they expected us to be excited by it and ignore the rest of the gutting. Too bad the dash is the thing most universally hated.

TheHappyReaperz8 votes

I have also noted a large amount of disillusioned pessimists.

ChefPaulaDeen4 votes

The average skill on the pbe is pretty low plus it's usually people playing champs they don't have tons of experience with.

I suspect that many pbe players have incorrect and hyperbolic (positive or negative) opinions on balance changes. The pbe is for early metric, previews and bug hunting. Riots internal balance team is there for a reason.

TequilaZombie1 votes

People act like math isn't a thing. Like there will be a magic item combination that will make all the shitty scalings go away.

Pierce The Veal12 votes

Literally this. But everyone who hasn't played Akali seems to not believe that this will gut Akali and make her feel worse to play than ever before.

Ben Sharpio3 votes

this is a good rework now she cant build full tank and 100-0 the carry

SiIver Tempest2 votes

Actually, the changes on the PBE make tank Akali the only really viable build. All of the nerfs to her AP ratios and CDs make it so much harder to build AP and survive, especially with the changes to her passive.

Neidox6 votes

The only thing that would save this rework for me is if her first two auto attacks are somehow not as clunky as her normal attacks. You guys know what I mean. Increase her attack speed for the first two auto attacks so her attacks are more fluid. I feel this would add some speed back into her kit. More ninja is always cool.

Akali is SO HOT9 votes

The new blink mechanic added to her shroud 100% needs to go. Not fun at all.

Neidox8 votes

It feels clunky, looks weird, and doesn't really add anything to her kit. I feel her ultimate should add situational mobility. A skilled Akali player can still use her ultimate in a defensive manner. "I can shroud over golems and then dash to them using my ultimate" this is being a good player and having the game knowledge to know your shroud gives vision, vision+target=safety. Now it's just "shroud while I'm on an edge, oh I'm somehow on the other side now." The current set-up makes it feel more realistic, methodical, and fun.

Kingnewgameplus4 votes

No, but you see, you have a shitty dash on your shroud that last for less than half of what it used to, so these nerfs are justified. Riot at it again with those excellent reworks.

Meep Man3 votes

I'm fine with the rework EXCEPT FOR THE ULTIMATE CHANGES! God, those changes were just a gutting of the ability. I think a way to make it better is to make her ultimate grant Akali 100/125/150% increased attack speed for 2 seconds after using it and have it reset the cool down of her Passive everytime you use it. THAT WOULD MAKE IT GOOD TO ME and make her feel less clunky.

Kloak3 votes

This is without a doubt, the most educated analysis of the Akali rework. Pls Riot, listen to this guy if you don't want to lose half your akali players (me included) xD.

Holynova2 votes

This isn't a rework, a rework changes majority of everything while keeping minor similarities . Reworks go hand in hand with Visuals btw now stop complaining.

Neidox9 votes

Fine let me rephrase it for the nit picky pricks. Scratch these uncalled for shitty changes to a champion that is currently fine unless they are getting a VGU. She does not need tweaks or touch-ups she is fine right now. These changes are clear nerfs, and I will "complain" if I think its warranted.

Naqel3 votes

Akali isn't fine, and the invisibility changes will give her a lot of power that needs to be taken from somewhere else.

Kloak1 votes

Yeah, but the ult cool down reduces her burst window by a mile...

Chembaron Yamada3 votes

Guess what, that is the goal of that change. One main point of the assassin update is to delay damage from assassins, so their primary targets actually have a chance to react to it.

HMS Sirius1 votes

Zed will still kill the adc in half a second and get out safley and Talon and Rengar's burst time barely changed. This is the same with Fizz and Kat so riot's goal to increase assassin's burst windows only seem to apply to Akali.

Chembaron Yamada2 votes

Zed actually was the prototype for delayed burst when it comes to assassins. Because his death mark is telegraphed. You see the sign on you so you know in the next seconds you have to react to prevent his burst. That's what they try to do for assassins in general.

And no, they delayed assassins burst all over the place, not just Akali. Examples: Fizz: bleed effect gives mark, burst damage if he attacks after mark is filled. And reward for hitting ult on range, not in close combat. Leblanc: New passive has a delay of 1,5 seconds, so you know you have to dodge then or you will eat alot of damage. Rengar: No longer stacks out of combat. Has to build up in fight for his burst and his Q is a skillshot now. Talon: passive gives delayed damage after he builds 3 stacks and AA's afterwards. Katarina: Has to prepare daggers and these have delay in falling down. You can avoid the area of the daggers to prevent burst.

CerealBoxOfDoom2 votes

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But they flashed in those 2seconds, Leblanc just double dashed away using her ultimate in half a second, but Akali, you gotta wait two seconds missy.

this is the only hint of important things you had to say

apparently you want to be able to catch leblink...

akali isn't good enough because she can't shit on Madam Jukes... yeahhhh, no you're going to need to go into more detail here.

The rest of that fluff hardly matters. You were just padding your post with uneeded crap. Akali has waited years for this rework. This has been set in motion, its time for her to change.

Unlucky471 votes

This isn't her rework. The rework should be in late season 7 or early 8. This is a fucking gutting of our favorite champion that will destroy the fun in playing her while we are forced to wait a year for them to do something about it.

CerealBoxOfDoom1 votes

whether you like it or not your champion is finally getting changed

nobody cares what you don't want at this point. What you don't want doesn't do any good for anyone. NOBODY

They need to know WHAT YOU WANT

This isn't her rework. The rework should be in late season 7 or early 8.

ok

This is a fucking gutting

omg where the fuck is it?

of our favorite champion that will destroy the fun in playing her while we are forced to wait a year for them to do something about it.

THE CHAMPION IS BEING CHANGED SAY WHAT YOU WANT YOU'RE RUNNING OUT OF TIME, NOBODY CARES HOW MUCH YOU KICK AND SCREAM, ACT LIKE A FUCKING ADULT! PRETTY SURE YOU WANT SOMETHING WHAT IS IT?

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Unlucky471 votes

Man you must be completely oblivious. We want the changes to reverted and maybe some damage nerfs to compensate for the pink ward change. If you've been to every other board about this its all the same shit. And have you even looked at the changes? Damage and utility nerfs. that's all they are. Is that not a gutting? Its the same thing they did to azir and taliyah. They gutted them. You're not very observant are you?

CerealBoxOfDoom1 votes

Its you who isn't observant. Like ive been saying,

the change is coming "just revert it" is not a real option. That's not what you want that's what you don't want followed by some meaningless compensation request.

Unlucky471 votes

okay well lets look at this way. What's good about the changes? You tell me some good reason for these changes.

Auxiliary2 votes

So ture they should leave her as she is now and focus on the VGU and maybe for now to just nerf the some of her dmg and make her w invisibility

NineTailedMystic2 votes

I already have a cooldown on charges, you mean I have a cooldown on when I can use the next one?

Welcome to Ahri ult, but instead of a 1s internal CD, you have a 2s CD.

Automated Riven1 votes

the bulk of ahris damage is at 500 to 600 range (including her ult damage) where as akalis is all melee range. and akali has never had enough burst to insta kill someone in one combo unless really fed. unlike every other assassin post level 6 if they land their full combo. (sept maybe talon.) even so talon can oneshot after his first item. akali needs to buy gunblade first (this wont change) and will now lack the damage and mobility to kill anyone ever.

NineTailedMystic1 votes

Ahri's R and W are 500 and 550 respectively.

Automated Riven1 votes

Umm was that just to verify that I was right or did you think you were correcting me? Jw

NineTailedMystic1 votes

A little bit of both. If Ahri can deal with an internal CD, I'm sure Akali can deal with one albeit maybe not 2s.

Automated Riven1 votes

Akali already had one. Its currently at 2-1.5-1. At each got rank. Altho this is able to be reduced by cdr. I think they changed it on pbe to be reducable by cdr. But this forces akali to build sub par items (considering that cdr currently is on mana items or defensive items) in order to have her ult on a 1.2 second lockout instead of a full 2 seconds. A 40 percent cdr akali build would look be like. Cdr boots lichbane hourglass and abyssal. Which including gunblade is, quite frankly, abysmal damage.

Are2 votes

They removed a lot of skill from shroud. I don't care that pinks can no longer reveal her, it lost a lot of outplay potential.

Passive is clunky, doesn't make sense to heal first then do damage when you go in to assassinate someone. Lost a lot of clutch healing from it, and now she doesn't take towers as fast because the damage doesn't apply to towers anymore.

E - I know they want to nerf tank Akali, but 3 second CD while having the same amount of damage?

R - Rest in peace.

Kingdom Corn2 votes

99% of the assassins got nerfed except talon and khazix.... It is ridiculous that VI and Wukong can now outbusrst the new rengar, akali, katarina, Leblanc, shaco. Like it is pointless to play assassins when all fighters can one shot and still be tanky.

KoKoboto3 votes

Kha'Zix got buffed, Talon's damage got buffed but he's gonna be harder to pull off lol at the "99% statistic" lmfao, Rengar, Akali and Katarina have more burst than Vi unless she builds like an Assassin, where the burst would be similar. Vi's secondary role is an Assassin anyways, but she's a fighter because she doesn't have Assassin level mobility. Wukong can have Assassin level burst as well but it's better to build tanky because you can get easily peeled back.

Unlucky471 votes

You do realize warrior/trin force is all you need on vi to three shot people right? There is no way in hell new akali will outburst a semi intelligent Vi

KoKoboto1 votes

Three shot people who have no resistances, yeah Akali can do the same

Unlucky471 votes

Okay but the enemy can build a maw. What can an adc or mid laner build to stop vi's max health damage and sheen procs? please i'm curious

Plus akali build damage to do that but like I said vi only needs two items before building tank.

KoKoboto1 votes

GA/Steraks/Phantom Dancer/ Death's Dance/ Blood Thirster/ An armor item

Akali can do the same damage by building only gunblade and going full tank so

Unlucky471 votes

have you actually tried playing akali with only gunblade and full tank? Vi can burst significantly faster. I play both of them frequently trust me

KoKoboto1 votes

Err yeah, I don't like Akali because she's pretty easy but when I feel like chilling I play her the tank way because it's the easiest and most effective.

Thunderlords and one full Rotation takes a squishy champion to 25, just get another e and q and they're dead. Also it's guaranteed because there's no skill shots and her damage isn't front loaded unlike Vi where if you miss Q you literally have nothing else

Unlucky471 votes

if someone wants to run around with no MR against an ap assassin then shouldnt they die when they get jumped? Like seriously adcs just need to build maw and tank akali can't burst them. Also I have a hard time believing you considering I build about 300 ap on akali with magic pen and I can't instant kill someone with a little MR so saying that you can do it with about 100 sounds a bit far fetched

KoKoboto1 votes

Well yeah, they build magic resist Akali will take longer to burst you, the same goes if they build Steraks for Vi or something

Unlucky471 votes

Yes but full tank akali cannot burst through someone with MR with several rotations where as vi can just do hers again and they'll be dead

KoKoboto1 votes

Yeah if she manages to land multiple fully charged Qs than she deserves to do that. Akali is all point click, she won't kill tanks but she wont burst tanks and neither will Vi.

Lord Babkonzerv1 votes

They will do this. They did it with Morde and Fiora too, didn't even considering the community's opinion about the reworks.

CerealBoxOfDoom2 votes

they considered the community's opinion

the opinion is just limp like the OP

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