reminder that only ahri got a compensation for the dfg lost

CancerNoobUseles·Aug 30, 2015·12 votes·1,241 views

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Julij2Aug 30, 20153 votes

Thank god. Atleast now I don't need to rush zhonyas as first item to avoid veigar flashing onto me and oneshotting me as ap champ.

DerZermetzelteAug 30, 20152 votes

Here a short bump to help you remember correctly:

Veigar buffs + small gameplay changes
Fizz buff on R and soon on W
Ahri buffs on Q and W
Diana buff to W
LB buffs on W return time, also slight revert of W missile speed nerf
Syndra has an upcoming buff
Annie is still strong
Lissandra isn't meant to instagib

That were about all champs that built dfg as a core. Most champs profit from Luden's Echo just as good, if not better.

SwapShadowsAug 30, 20152 votes

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Here a short bump to help you remember correctly:

Veigar buffs + small gameplay changes

Fizz buff on R and soon on W

Ahri buffs on Q and W

LB buffs on W return time, also slight revert of W missile speed nerf

Most champs profit from Luden's Echo just as good, if not better.

Veigar got completely shifted from his old playstyle, he's a completely worse version of his older self.

DerZermetzelteAug 30, 20158 votes

Why that? The stacking has gone through the roof. Meaning, all unnerfed AP ratios (Q, W, Luden's) are even better now. His ult got nerfed a bit (~15%), but the Ap stacking compensates that. His E instastunn was lacking counterplay, so it got changed a bit. Still managable to hit. I think he's fine.

SwapShadowsAug 30, 20152 votes

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Why that? The stacking has gone through the roof. Meaning, all unnerfed AP ratios (Q, W, Luden's) are even better now. His ult got nerfed a bit (~15%), but the Ap stacking compensates that. His E instastunn was lacking counterplay, so it got changed a bit. Still managable to hit. I think he's fine.

Farming with old veigar was the noobiest and worst playstyle you could do with him. He was a lane bully that snowballed incredibly hard and roamed whenever he got the chance.

So what this rework did was essentially turn him into the complete opposite of what he was and what worked best for him and diminished his amazing objective control because his stun isn't instant anymore.

DerZermetzelteAug 30, 20153 votes

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Farming with old veigar was the noobiest and worst playstyle you could do with him. He was a lane bully that snowballed incredibly hard and roamed whenever he got the chance.

Interesting that. Guess I only won by pure luck then. Maybe he was able to bully after getting some AP. And definitely not in all matchups

So what this rework did was essentially turn him into the complete opposite of what he was and what worked best for him and diminished his amazing objective control because his stun isn't instant anymore.

"Oh noooo! I haz lost my unfair mechanic. GG Rito, thx for ruining my main". MY opinion on that farm matter: The rework turned him into what he was supposed to be - A stacker.

NarasimhaAug 30, 20151 votes

This doesn't even make sense then. With the increased range and pass-through on his Q, he would be MORE of a lane bully.

DurzakaAug 31, 20151 votes

His Q got longer range and became a skillshot.

Which means he has more chance to be a lane bully, AND there is counterplay to it instead of the constant point and click poke.

And his stun was one of the most broken skills in the entire game. A guaranteed stun in the hands of a skilled play that can hit the entire enemy team, as well as be used to zone the entire team from a large area. It was broken as shit. And while I dont agree with how they nerfed it, it needed to be nerfed.

ZedexAug 30, 20153 votes

Its a shame Veigars stun is actually hard to land now , and takes a slight degree of skill.

But i forgot, LoL players want their rankings handed to them on platters

Kat HeadAug 30, 20151 votes

{quoted}

Here a short bump to help you remember correctly:

Veigar buffs + small gameplay changes

Fizz buff on R and soon on W

Ahri buffs on Q and W

Diana buff to W

LB buffs on W return time, also slight revert of W missile speed nerf

Syndra has an upcoming buff

Annie is still strong

Lissandra isn't meant to instagib

That were about all champs that built dfg as a core. Most champs profit from Luden's Echo just as good, if not better.

Wrong much ?

Katarina rushed dfg, all she ended up getting was;

Nerf to E Nerf to Base damage on R Nerf to base Hp Nerf to Hp Regen Nerf to passive

DerZermetzelteAug 30, 20153 votes

Duh. Because she was a pubstomper. Even without Dfg. And Riot doesn't like pubstompers. Besides, the original complaint was that ONLY AHRI got compensation. And I proved that wrong. That's all there was to it. Never said ALL champs received compensation.

Kat HeadAug 30, 20151 votes

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Duh. Because she was a pubstomper. Even without Dfg. And Riot doesn't like pubstompers. Besides, the original complaint was that ONLY AHRI got compensation. And I proved that wrong. That's all there was to it. Never said ALL champs received compensation.

The original complaint still stands.

In a world without DFG, only Ahri is stronger.

DerZermetzelteAug 30, 20152 votes

Dafuq? Did you even read? Ok: I will counter your "Ahri only gg" argument with 1 champ that shows the opposite effect: Xerath. He profits from Luden's but not from Dfg.

RIP your thesis. Rephrase or accept that you exxagerated.

Kat HeadAug 30, 20151 votes

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Dafuq? Did you even read? Ok: I will counter your "Ahri only gg" argument with 1 champ that shows the opposite effect: Xerath. He profits from Luden's but not from Dfg.

RIP your thesis. Rephrase or accept that you exxagerated.

LOL

Xerath benefited, yes.

It was not compensation for xerath (or intended to be), what xerath would build DFG ?

EVER, ROFL.

OP point still stands, Only Ahri is a stronger champion without DFG.

kJsAug 30, 20151 votes

Don't you guys remember AP Malphite and Alistar ? My babies!

DerZermetzelteAug 30, 20151 votes

Ap Alistar was BS even with dfg. And malph still works. I even play him.

DerZermetzelteAug 30, 20155 votes

You clearly don't know the definition of the word "only", do you?

And if you use it in the sense of "Ahri got stonger without dfg", the answer is: No.

Kat HeadAug 30, 20151 votes

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You clearly don't know the definition of the word "only", do you?

And if you use it in the sense of "Ahri got stonger without dfg", the answer is: No.

You clearly do not know the meaning of compensation.

Of the champions that built DFG before it was removed, only Ahri is a stronger champion now. Every single one of the other champions that built DFG are weaker.

Ahri is stronger now than she was with DFG.

DerZermetzelteAug 30, 20152 votes

Just... No. The instagibs were removed. Simple as that. You make it sound like she got so overbuffed, that she is stronger than before. Which isn't the case.

Kat HeadAug 30, 20151 votes

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Just... No. The instagibs were removed. Simple as that. You make it sound like she got so overbuffed, that she is stronger than before. Which isn't the case.

She is stronger than before. MUCH stronger. SO MUCH STRONGER.

Do you even play this game ?

The Sword SaintAug 30, 20152 votes

She's back to being a safe kiting mage again. I wouldn't say she's stronger as her damage is significantly down - she just isn't a suicide bomber anymore who dives in and tries to blow someone up so she lives longer and contributes more.

DerZermetzelteAug 31, 20151 votes

Yes I do. And I also mastered the high art of "math". And after a ritual including those weird runes ( * / + - ), the demons told me that her damage is significantly down.

TimeszAug 31, 20151 votes

R>E>DFG>Q>W instantly decimated an individual, including tanks.

Now you require all charges of Ahri's ultimate and the return on Orb for a kill. I'm pretty sure Ahri is fine where she is right now and y'all are getting emotional over nothing.

Kat HeadAug 31, 20151 votes

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R>E>DFG>Q>W instantly decimated an individual, including tanks.

Now you require all charges of Ahri's ultimate and the return on Orb for a kill. I'm pretty sure Ahri is fine where she is right now and y'all are getting emotional over nothing.

What I am saying is that she is stronger now than she was with dfg.

Winrates at all elos illustrates my point. I like playing vs Ahri, I prefer that any day over stuff like shurima and Syndra.

3TWarriorAug 30, 20151 votes

the item was powerful enough just to be built for its stats

IceemberAug 30, 20151 votes

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Wrong much ?

Katarina rushed dfg, all she ended up getting was;

Nerf to E Nerf to Base damage on R Nerf to base Hp Nerf to Hp Regen Nerf to passive

Looks kinda like what Akali got too. Nerf city. Now riot is talking rework.

DerZermetzelteAug 30, 20151 votes

Akali is playable again, after getting some smaller buffs. But there definitely was a time when she was weaker. That wasn't because of the dfg removal though.

TrídentAug 30, 20153 votes

Syndra has an upcoming buff - reverted Veigar buffs + small gameplay changes- overall aren't buffs

Bondage BunnyboyAug 30, 20151 votes

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Syndra has an upcoming buff - reverted Veigar buffs + small gameplay changes- overall aren't buffs

Syndra's buff is only temporarily reverted. They plan on helping her out, but the true damage probably made people anxious, so they're taking their time to understand what could increase her power and not make her oppressive again.

B1naryB0tAug 30, 20152 votes

Garen item 3070

DerZermetzelteAug 30, 20151 votes

AbyssphereAug 30, 20153 votes

{quoted}

Here a short bump to help you remember correctly:

Veigar buffs + small gameplay changes

Fizz buff on R and soon on W

Ahri buffs on Q and W

Diana buff to W

LB buffs on W return time, also slight revert of W missile speed nerf

Syndra has an upcoming buff

Annie is still strong

Lissandra isn't meant to instagib

That were about all champs that built dfg as a core. Most champs profit from Luden's Echo just as good, if not better.

You're really calling the upcoming Syndra buffs and LB getting reverts to nerfs that happened long after the removal of DFG "compensation"?

DerZermetzelteAug 30, 20151 votes

Fact is, that they were borderline op with this thing. So the removal was a welcome nerf to them. Now they look into balancing it out.

MordepoolAug 31, 20152 votes

Morde got the ms buff and double creeping death. Then got Garbaged. Veigar got reworked. So yes the statement is accurate

RisenDarkKnightAug 30, 20151 votes

The thing is they have buffed veigar enought that he is perfectly viable now, but he just is a different champion that is way less fun to play. Before, you constantly went for kills after lvl 6 or so because your stun was instant like annie's so you could zone with e w combos and then for kill with q ult if you have enough ap or the target is low. You could also roam much more effectively or get catches. Now you just farm with q all lane unless there's a gank. He's still usefull in teamfights because allied cc makes his e and w possible to land and he can spam q poke that now hit's two people and his ult still hits like a truck. But he lost his laning power and now is non-interactive.

Krys StarAug 30, 20151 votes

I've seen many Veigar players carry, the very few that play him. Even against champions like Ryze, Zed, Talon, etc. they still manage to come out on top. I don't really see true Veigar players complaining about him anymore. Veigar still has a high nuke, still deletes mages in one R, and has an even better team fight now that his Q can hit two targets instead of one on top of Dark Matter. Sure, his stun isn't what it used to be but it's still an amazing ability. Can you really say Event Horizon was a healthy, balanced ability when it could instantly stun multiple targets for a long duration? They removed his ability to delete targets in an instant in favor of improving his team fighting and late game.

Crowe StalkerAug 31, 20151 votes

If anything I see Veigar 'Mains' demanding he lose the Opponent AP Ratio to make his Primordial Burst even more ridiculous of a Nuke... which is dumb in my opinion because nuking AP makes him fun and if his Primordial Burst got changed to do more damage to everyone then his legitimate AD Counters are completely removed from the equation...

The Sword SaintAug 30, 20151 votes

In ahris case, she received a series of nerfs and power shifts based on the idea that she was always going to build dfg and be an assassin. Then not very long after they removed dfg. So they had to do something for her, she didn't just 'benefit' from dfg - she was deliberately tuned to require dfg to do anything and they made a big announcement about it and everything in the patch notes at the time.

Dr PoroAug 30, 20152 votes

except that they were wrong. They admitted afterwards that she didn't need compensations as other builds were actually just as good for her.

The Sword SaintAug 30, 20151 votes

They also removed her 20% damage amp from her charm when they buffed her q movement speed. The tiny base damage increase they put on charm (20 iirc) doesn't make up for that massive drop in damage. They decided that they would give her fewer weaknesses instead of keeping her burst damage high.