We ban Twitch/Trist/Draven/Janna and then a new perfectly interactive adc rises...

option paralysis·Aug 21, 2017·21 votes·1,646 views

Kog maw accompanied with Lulu. I woulda dodge, but already dodged a game before where enemy had draven - janna. I don't have to say that we lost. It's so nice to win or lose based on who your adc is, phew riot, this game is really nice now and inovative. I like watching kog standing still and right clicking, god damn, those are some lc$ big plays. Not to mention when you have to ban so many adc's, that other broken pieces of shit champs go through champ select also... which makes for a very fun game. Then I go to check the pbe, because surely riot is gonna nerf the champs that have 50%+ ban rate for months now... NOPE, literally nothing there. I just have no words for this shit anymore...

24 Comments

OleandervineAug 21, 20175 votes

Kog'Maw and Draven, while difficult, are both incredibly susceptible to CC and getting destroyed. They're immobile, and they rely heavily on the support to help them out.

You, also, should rely on your support to help you out. You're not alone, so stop doom-and-glooming when you see a particular combo you don't like. There's just as many players on your side as theirs. There are always ways to counter your opponents, so pull yourself out of your tears and do some research and don't mentally lose the game before it starts. That will 100% cause a loss, not a Draven/Janna or Kog/Lulu.

option paralysisAug 21, 20172 votes

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Kog'Maw and Draven, while difficult, are both incredibly susceptible to CC and getting destroyed. They're immobile, and they rely heavily on the support to help them out.

While all that is true, you have to remember there are 3 other enemy champs. You can't tunnel dive on kog lulu, because you get destroyed in this particular game by their j4 and katarina combo... however if you try to kill them, you get destroyed by kog right clicks. Literally only way to win vs. that is if your team is 10 to 0 kills in the first few mins.

OleandervineAug 21, 20173 votes

You also have 3 other champs to help. The game isn't one sided when you face these champs.

PennsAug 21, 20171 votes

Are you sure about that? https://i.gyazo.com/3757b01fbc800e88b09075c607a4c052.png

Our top side and jungle got rekt pretty hard and wanted to give up, enemy Kayn was like 6/1 at minute 15. But at that point I could already say "its k they only have a kayn and darius, we got lulu + kalista easy win" lul

DuskDaUmbreonAug 21, 20174 votes

Oh. Who would have thought! There are strong combinations of champions! What a surprise! Not like anyone above level 8 could have figured that one out!

...Seriously. It's not that hard. If you know that two champions are strong together, don't let them be together. Or have a good synergy yourself. Lulu/Kog botlane? Bring Soraka/Cait. Or Blitz/Ashe. Or Thresh/Ashe.

This is not rocket science. [slayer-jinx-unamused]

Yaśuo MainAug 22, 20171 votes

but this is assuming that synergy is far better than any other and not that it has an equal

WildHawk41Sep 2, 20171 votes

Except it's not the synergy. The synergy has been there forever. It's ardent censor. You can't ban an item which is why if Janna Trist doesn't show up you get Kog Lulu or Sona Twitch. I'd agree if synergy was just the case.

chipndip1Sep 2, 20171 votes

Ardent Censer has been this way for a LONG time, and we've had plenty of metas from lethality ones to tank ones. If Ardent Censer as an item was the sole problem, it'd have been a problem a long time ago. Hell, as it stands, it's only 5% better than it used to be before it got that scaling buff to compete with old Redemption/Locket. Are we REALLY going to blame Censer for this one?

WildHawk41Sep 7, 20171 votes

I never said it was the sole problem, but it is the backbone of it right now. The fact that ADCs are taking relic shield to help their Janna, Raka, Lulu, Sona get to their first item Ardent highlights the backbone.

Best princess EUAug 21, 20171 votes

kog is worse than draven

you should have banned him and kog is more popular than him, your chance of playing against kog is higher

option paralysisAug 21, 20172 votes

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kog is worse than draven

you should have banned him and kog is more popular than him, your chance of playing against kog is higher

I always ban tristana, because I can't take her right clicking from nexus away and 3 shotting me anymore. Then I remembered kog and now I'll gamble which one to ban.

ExecutionerAug 21, 20173 votes

Why would you ever ban tristana over a kog'maw? That's just silly.

WalkingInACircleAug 21, 20171 votes

Its draven's laning I ban him for. Cuz you know botlane is gonna feed him.

BańgAug 21, 20171 votes

kog/lulu is the most broken duo champs in the entire game.

there is nothing u can do vs them as a melee bruiser and you only hope the kog suicides because u will NEVER get near him late game

getting outplayed by some dude standing still with a point and click support right next to him is just so demoralizing.

why should i bother comboing and positioning when this guy can just stand still and melt my hp

has 1 lifesteal item and heals a quarter of his health every auto because haha adcs/ardent censor means balanced game

ExecutionerAug 21, 20171 votes

I would like to add, Tristana is not broken compared to the others. Also depends on what support that make them great or average.

Shrek LuigiAug 21, 20171 votes

I like playing Lulu alongside Ashe and Varus--they get a lot of AA's in but generally just pile on the AD+survivability once they have a Runaan and Berserker Greaves up as opposed to OnHit items. Her steroid helps those champs slog away with their AA's as well as the next guy, your poke compliments them well, and you've even got a bit of peel power in your kit to boot.

People say Lulu is pretty subpar given her balance history but she can do a lot with a kit like hers, and feels good to play. There aren't many supports who can mess with their opponents trades and movement-pathing as easily as her once you figure out how to harass with her well.

ClementineAug 21, 20171 votes

You banned Trist over Kogmaw eh? Kog is busted af, Trist is just annoying to deal with sometimes. Also, Lulu has like a 48-49% winrate or something like that and is rarely picked in LCS or most solo queue games over Sona/Bard/Alistar/etc.