Sand Soldiers should scale 100% AD

The Ecdysiast·Oct 29, 2016·5 votes·649 views

But lower the base damage by about 50, to make up for his base AD at the beginning.

It would be fun, and I'm not suggesting they give the Q or R AD, just the W.

It would give him some flexibility like Malzahar, and unlike champs whose abilities deal physical damage he won't be able to abuse Cleaver and Youmoo's since it doesn't penetrate armor.

And remember: those attacks still would be unable to critically strike or apply on-hit effects. And his soldiers no longer count as on-hit effects, so he wouldn't benefit from GR either.

29 Comments

L Psy KongrooOct 29, 20163 votes

I'd rather not enable a champion with the safety of Azir to attack from 1600 range while building AD.

The EcdysiastOct 29, 20161 votes

The attacks still wouldn't be able to crit, still wouldn't be able to apply on-hit effects, and would still deal magic damage so penetration wouldn't be an option. And against anyone who isn't melee, Azir's "safety" has been deleted.

CalabokOct 29, 20162 votes

DONT CARE. NERF CHICKENFBUTT

Billy VoHagenOct 30, 20162 votes

Oh boy, we really need a reason for Azir to build gun blade and fucking heal infinitely. That sure would be fun.

The EcdysiastOct 31, 20161 votes

Oh boy, as if the AP isn't enough to warrant that already, and it's totally not 1/3 as effective or anything...

Billy VoHagenOct 31, 20161 votes

You can build gun blade on Azir, but the AD is completely wasted, so it's not very cost effective. If his soldiers scaled with AD, there would be absolutely no reason to not build it.

The EcdysiastNov 4, 20161 votes

So you're worried about an item that loses strength from AoE attacks, on an attack that loses strength the more you increase its AoE...

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SukishooOct 29, 20161 votes

pshh just make him 100% AD xDD

The EcdysiastOct 29, 20161 votes

Hell, I'd agree. Just because they completely deleted all his good points.

Wind WhistlerOct 29, 20161 votes

You mean Bonus AD, right? Because Total AD...

TwinkieProOct 29, 20161 votes

Well, if you consider it couldn't crit and would still do magic damage, I don't see why not.

Wind WhistlerOct 30, 20161 votes

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Well, if you consider it couldn't crit and would still do magic damage, I don't see why not.

Well, I guess it wouldn't be that bad, but it would still be a considerable buff. That would be like, 50 more damage at level 1.

TwinkieProOct 30, 20161 votes

Drop the base damage by 50. It would amount to roughly the same all game.

Wind WhistlerOct 30, 20161 votes

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Drop the base damage by 50. It would amount to roughly the same all game.

I don't know why I didn't think of that. LOL. In that case, though, that it seems like it would be a pretty good change.

The EcdysiastOct 31, 20161 votes

I didn't think of that either. I'll add it to the OP.

The EcdysiastOct 29, 20161 votes

No, I mean total.

Simple because they still wouldn't be able to apply on-hit effects or critically strike.

Big LincolnOct 29, 20162 votes

that would give him an extra 50 damage at level 1

TwinkieProOct 30, 20162 votes

Remove a chunk of the base damage.

yes

Billy VoHagenOct 31, 20161 votes

Now he can build Sterak's, giving him a massive shield and a lot more soldier damage.

You think this would be just a gimmick, but it would open up several more builds for him that would be extremely strong.

The EcdysiastNov 4, 20161 votes

They wouldn't be any stronger than normal. His shield already scales HP and despite Rylai's, is still next to useless, so he should have access to a shield on top of it. And 25% of his base AD would be just +25 AD _at level 18. _ It's as weak as two longswords until he's at least level 11. That's not "a lot."

CalabokOct 29, 20161 votes

NO BUFFS FOR BEAKFACE

The EcdysiastOct 29, 20162 votes

tfw a low level player is afraid of a champion who was only ever abused in high levels of play.

FioraWillCarryOct 29, 20161 votes

Former Azir main here......errr......Nah, AD scalings would make him clumsy to build. I can't really put it into words but just take my words, it won't work.

AstôlfoOct 30, 20161 votes

That's not the issue. Remove his dash and he can be buffed forever.

The EcdysiastOct 31, 20161 votes

The issue is really the stupid tower mechanic. Remove that gimmick and they'd be able to give back his other strengths.

TyrekGoldenspearOct 30, 20161 votes

Thinks of possibilites.

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WolfessOct 31, 20161 votes

no because it would make it too easy for him to farm without sand soldiers by just building AD and then using his sand soldiers to play like a super ranged marksman against enemy champs to zone them and just super easily farms behind them with his own auto attacks.

also he can have more than 1 sand soldier out to hit the same target, boosting the damage by I believe 25%. don't need him scaling his own 100% ad up by another 25% or even 50% if he can juggle 3 soldiers.

it would also give him a lot of power in not being able to be easily built against because he can then just choose if he wants to do physical damage with normal autos or magical damage with sand soldiers.

The EcdysiastNov 4, 20161 votes

As if Kayle doesn't exist...?

He shouldn't be forced to farm WITH the soldiers anyway, seeing as literally his only lane strength now is that he can maybe zone melee champs with the soldiers. Not having a soldier out would have the downside of removing that zone.