So can we please address tf

Xavanic··1 votes·339 views

This champ is literal cancer, his stun lasts 2 seconds and generally only has a 4-5 second CD, while every other method on this ability is rarely used....he needs incentive to use different cards for different situations, not just spam gold card and I have come up with few ideas

Option 1: Pick a Cards CD is increased by an additional 4 seconds every time he uses gold Card stacks lasting 30 seconds before he can regain the CD

Option 2: Increase his W's CD to 15 seconds but give CDR based on which card he used (IE blue card would refund 75% of the CD, red 50%, gold wouldn't refund the CD)

Option 3: Inherit Stun timer (similar to Udyr/rek'sai) meaning he can only stun someone once every 10 seconds

Option 4: Increasing mana cost for using the same card, IE first time 100 mana, second 200, third 400, fifth 800

Option 5: Make each card work on a Charge system, meaning if he uses all the charges, he has to wait 30 seconds to get another one (also meaning if he fucks up he wastes the ability)

Option 6: Stun is reduced to .5 seconds if he stuns the same target within 15 seconds

Tell me what you think of these changes

10 Comments

Elkington VI2 votes

Feel like a lot of other champions are more problematic than TF honestly. He's one of the few high-skillcap champions that rewards good decision-making/strategy, without being overbearing or lacking windows of counterplay. He's just as easy to kill as he is rewarding to play. I think Ashe is the only champion in the game, if not played well, that's easier to kill than TF. One screw up and he's left with nothing, he just dies.

Xavanic1 votes

Thats the thing, i dont ever see these fuckers screw up, and actually, he is pretty damn tanky with his RoA and zhonyas Edit: Also with a 15% pick rate and a 52% win rate, hes def not a high skill cap champion, or hes too strong, take your pick

Rewt2 votes

TFs gold card is the only thing that makes him playable. Nerf that and he becomes Aatrox

Xavanic1 votes

Not really, you could make it so he cant just rely on 1 ability and learn to use more then gold card....but that would require people using their brain, which would involve too much effort, right?

Rewt4 votes

Do you even know what his kit is?

Q- slow ass skillshot that the enemy has to walk into thinking that it will heal them if you want it to actually hit. you have like 2 whole seconds to dodge this shit. Its so easy to dodge. W- Blue card for csing, Red for wave clear, Gold for Fighting and making your Q more than a glorified minion clear. E- Its just an auto enhancer every 4 autos to make gold card hit harder R- Teleport.... thats actually it.

He does like nothing without gold card. Its what his entire kit was DESIGNED around. If you weaken that you literally gut the entire champ. his q is way to slow moving to hit on anyone who isnt weakened by the paralyzing effects of Asperger's syndrome and really doesnt do a ton of damage for being his only skillshot. Gold card is the only way to get your Q to land without the opponents literally walking into it.

TLDR: if you get hit by his Q without him using gold card you might want to go to a doctor and see if you have Autism. cause the chances are pretty good.

Xavanic1 votes

Thanks for making fun of me, but anyways hes got a 53% win rate with a 15% pick rate on an IMMOBILE MID LANER, ahri and kassadin have mobility going for them, but tf is IMMOBILE meaning he shouldn't have such a high win rate with his pick rate...but he does

Rewt1 votes

lane isnt everything. TF's winrate is in direct correlation to the pressure on the map. TF's strength is getting his lanes ahead and then chillaxing for the rest of the game throwing gold cards. He isnt going to hard carry games. His damage just isnt consistent enough for that.

Dark Nephthys1 votes

Or you could try to walk away from TwistedFate while he has his card up since his pick a card times out and goes on CD if not used unlike Annie who can hold her stun for as long as she wants. Also you could build MR to reduce his burst since his burst is basically his W - Auto attack + Q (Usually with item 3100 item 3285 + thunderlords) if you had enough MR/HP to survive the combo then you can easily turn around and destroy him since he would have like 6 seconds until he can do anything else but auto.

Another idea is to get item 3102 item 3156 item 3140 depending on who you are playing. TF is not even a problem, and even if he was it wouldn't be because of his stun card, but might be how strong he can be with his roaming thanks to his ultimate but even then, he requires some skill to play that champion and he is a high risk, high reward champion...which is much more than I could say about a lot of champions in the game where they are low risk, high reward.

Xavanic1 votes

I generally play tanks/bruisers, this fucker is the bane of my existence because you literally NEED ninja tabi to live more then 3 seconds to adcs rn and no other item gives tenacity...and you cant walk away from TF because hes always so abnormally fast thanks to his high base MS and Lichbane, plus these fucks always run ghost, and no you cant just turn around and destroy him because by the time the stun finishes and your going to turn on him hes already activated pick a card again Edit: Also, its not his burst thats pissing me off, its the fact hes literally preventing me from playing the game with his broken ass gold card

Elkington VI1 votes

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I generally play tanks/bruisers, this fucker is the bane of my existence because you literally NEED ninja tabi to live more then 3 seconds to adcs rn and no other item gives tenacity...and you cant walk away from TF because hes always so abnormally fast thanks to his high base MS and Lichbane, plus these fucks always run ghost, and no you cant just turn around and destroy him because by the time the stun finishes and your going to turn on him hes already activated pick a card again Edit: Also, its not his burst thats pissing me off, its the fact hes literally preventing me from playing the game with his broken ass gold card

I only play bruisers as well and I think he's easy to deal with most of the time. On the rare occasion I do get wrecked by a TF, I know it's because I got outplayed, not out-kitted like most "high-skillcap" champs in this game.

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