The "Speech Meta" of this game has made giving constructive criticism almost impossible

Professor Ward··4 votes·516 views

I am almost forced to type "but we still got this dont worry" or "its no problem just try and be safe brotha" etc etc etc after giving my team full blown helpful advice

Typing something like "they have better sustain fight, we need to poke and wait for the right engage" is grounds for getting a complete ear full.

The playerbase has evolved into being completely impossible to criticize, as any comment geared toward a bad play made is a direct threat to their skill level and family.

We should all try and be a lil better about this, i even do it myself.

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redniwediS3 votes

Part of the problem is people giving "helpful criticism" in the form of pointing out the obvious mistakes people make. It's not helpful at all and just rubs salt in the wound for whoever just messed up. It's just venting and puts everyone who actually wants to be helpful in a bad light before they even try to help.

Mayobe2 votes

Actually, that's almost all of the problem. The only other part is people who are just obnoxious with telling everyone what to do.

Nobody would balk at the quote OP provided. It's just histrionics and trying to drag politics into a god damned video game.

Professor Ward1 votes

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Actually, that's almost all of the problem. The only other part is people who are just obnoxious with telling everyone what to do.

Nobody would balk at the quote OP provided. It's just histrionics and trying to drag politics into a god damned video game.

Still acting like video games are some niche things that only children do for an hour on sundays.

i could argue that video games are more of a staple to american life than politics themselves. So at this point its basically fair game to drag anything into video games. Considering league was hitting 100 million montly logins (unique), and how much of those peoples lives are spent here, its insane to expect people to not bring things here.

Its comparable to asking people to not bring politics to facebook....

WIth that said there werent any "politics drug in". If talking about conversation patterns in league is considered "politics", then so should balance or anything else that weighs on gameplay.

You sound bright, but thats about it. Quit big word boasting. Histrionics? I understand the vocabulary, but going out of your way to include words that are known by a minute portion of the population is shameful.

Mayobe1 votes

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Still acting like video games are some niche things that only children do for an hour on sundays.

No. I'm acting like video games are something that people do to get away from life for a minute and have fun, not for continuing the retarded flame-baiting horse shit that's taken over all of society.

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Its comparable to asking people to not bring politics to facebook....

Except it's not, because Facebook is a tool for communication and discussion, whereas LoL - again - is a game.

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WIth that said there werent any "politics drug in".

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Hey, guess what, this is the same thing happening with #MeToo right now where if are to compliment a woman's attire you're being publicly shamed on Twitter for sexual harassment. It's a disgusting time to be a free speech advocate, especially with the censorship that comes in online gaming by the owning companies. Toxicity does not exist.

^ Tell me this connection never crossed your mind.

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You sound bright, but thats about it. Quit big word boasting. Histrionics? I understand the vocabulary, but going out of your way to include words that are known by a minute portion of the population is shameful.

I'm stealing "big word boasting". It's great that you're so insecure about your ignorance that you actually think that it's "going out of [my] way" to use words that I know and use in conversation whenever I deem appropriate. In what universe do you think that I would agree to become monosyllabic just to cater to mental midgets on the internet?

Professor Ward1 votes

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No. I'm acting like video games are something that people do to get away from life for a minute and have fun, not for continuing the retarded flame-baiting horse shit that's taken over all of society.

I didnt bait shit.

Except it's not, because Facebook is a tool for communication and discussion, whereas LoL - again - is a game.

You are currently in a chat forum my sir.

^ Tell me this connection never crossed your mind.

100% never heard of this, i dont tweet, i did research it afterwards though and can see the connection.

I'm stealing "big word boasting". It's great that you're so insecure about your ignorance that you actually think that it's "going out of [my] way" to use words that I know and use in conversation whenever I deem appropriate. In what universe do you think that I would agree to become monosyllabic just to cater to mental midgets on the internet?

My mother is referenced by my family as a "TIGER MOM" google it if youre not familiar with the term. My iq score was 141 when tested in 1st grade, (skipped kg due to making the other children look like idiots, which i will continue upon when i talk about "big word boasting") and 138 when tested at 5th year, never missed a single day of school from grade one-graduation. Scored top 1 percentile in every standardized test taken, ap classes, tutoring children two years older, etc. My intelligence isnt at stake here, but as an intelligent person, i know very well that "big word boasting" is the fastest way to offput someone, and look like an absolute douche.

For example, i would never go into my futures wifes house, and speak to her father in terms that i know the majority of the population doesnt know, you will distance yourself. As the smart guy, you have to already know this. "Hey bill, did you know that classic Vietnamese dialect is monosyllabic?" His mind-- "Who the fuck does this guy think he is, bill nye" I know youve experienced this <<<<<

I never asked you to speak in Vietnamese dialect (monosyllabic). I just asked you to stop flexing. I understand that as a smart man, it seems absolute rubbish to have to "stoop yourself down" but on the same note, i dont want to sit next to a bodybuilder who's doing push ups at dinner, just as uneducated/undereducated people dont want to be made to feel stupid.

Mayobe1 votes

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I didnt bait shit.

Right. Topic title includes the phrase "speech meta". Totally not baiting.

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My mother is referenced by my family as a "TIGER MOM" google it if youre not familiar with the term. My iq score was 141 when tested in 1st grade, (skipped kg due to making the other children look like idiots, which i will continue upon when i talk about "big word boasting") and 138 when tested at 5th year, never missed a single day of school from grade one-graduation. Scored top 1 percentile in every standardized test taken, ap classes, tutoring children two years older, etc. My intelligence isnt at stake here, but as an intelligent person, i know very well that "big word boasting" is the fastest way to offput someone, and look like an absolute douche.

I don't think you're very bright, regardless of your IQ claim, and I'm right up there with you, champ.

First of all, you're telling me that you lack the imagination to conceive of anything more off-putting than being educated. That would be pretty sad, even for a moron. If you actually do have a high IQ and you still can't come up with anything then maybe you should examine your own reasoning, because that suggests pathology.

Secondly, you're arguing that a person ought to pretend to be something they aren't - directly alter their preferred style of speech - in order to coddle people who might not be able to keep up. That's a pretty foolish position to take for anyone in the self-regarding sense, but it's also pretty damned foolish for the sake of society. Pretending to be ignorant is pathetic and counter-productively self-denigrating. It makes you less of a person. Society also pays a cost because making yourself less than what you are intrinsically carries with it the effect of making yourself worth less to other people than you could otherwise be. The intelligent thing to do when encountering a word outside of your vocabulary is to look it up. It makes you a little bit stronger as a person and doesn't require you to insult someone for the crime of being educated and/or having an appreciation for the English language.

Moreover, I'm grimly amused by your assertion that failing to cowtow to your pathetic sense of logophobia makes a person "look like an absolute douche". In point of fact, I think that trying to shame someone for being good at something would be a damned good example of something quite a lot more douchey. This argument also assumes that I do, or ought to, contort myself in order to cater to other peoples' opinions about me. In case you can't guess by now how I might rate that particular notion, it is a prime example of argumentum ad populum, and I don't hold a very high opinion of the "populum" in the first place. Additionally, very few people I meet face-to-face ever criticize me for having a broad vocabulary, and the ones who have done so were categorically worthless people.

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I never asked you to speak in Vietnamese dialect (monosyllabic). I just asked you to stop flexing. I understand that as a smart man, it seems absolute rubbish to have to "stoop yourself down" but on the same note, i dont want to sit next to a bodybuilder who's doing push ups at dinner, just as uneducated/undereducated people dont want to be made to feel stupid.

And here's another example of why I don't think you're too bright: Vietnamese is not monosyllabic. The suggestion alone is preposterous as there simply aren't enough independent syllables to create a large enough vocabulary for even bare colloquial usage.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vietnamese_morphology

More importantly, you're committing an obvious fallacy by implying that the category of monosyllabic language somehow specifically means monosyllabic Vietnamese. Even if Vietnamese were monosyllabic, and even if you were to ignore my self-evident use of hyperbole, the idea that referring to monosyllabic use of English (by context) somehow indicates the use of Vietnamese is a textbook non-sequitur. It hints at the fallacy of the excluded middle, but I think you may have actually invented a new fallacy in this case, since you're treating a member of the category as the category itself, which is more like an error of generalization. So congratulations on your work towards advancing the practice of stupidity!

Concerning your ridiculous comparison between my use of own language and a bodybuilder doing push-ups at dinner, please be aware that it requires no effort of me to speak in my preferred manner. If it somehow discomforts you, then please accept this additional sentiment: bite me. I DO NOT complain when I see people who are well built go about their daily lives; quite the opposite. I wouldn't complain if I saw a bodybuilder lifting something heavy at work or lifting their fork at the aforementioned dinner, and I certainly don't feel the need to exert myself beyond lifting a fork in order to condescend to you.

Please let me know if you require any further education in this matter. [slayer-jinx-wink]

XIVIVIX2 votes

Hey, guess what, this is the same thing happening with #MeToo right now where if are to compliment a woman's attire you're being publicly shamed on Twitter for sexual harassment. It's a disgusting time to be a free speech advocate, especially with the censorship that comes in online gaming by the owning companies. Toxicity does not exist.

redniwediS1 votes

Toxicity does not exist.

Have you not seen the people who throw unnecessary insults around and call for self harm? That stuff does happen, and it is in no way positive behavior.

It's one thing to say it's over-represented or something, and another to claim that it does not happen at all.

XIVIVIX1 votes

If you ignore it, it does not exist.

Don't be a sheep and don't cut yourself because I told you to.

redniwediS1 votes

That's not how it works mate.

The moon landings happened even though some people believe otherwise. The Earth is round even though some think it's flat. Ignoring the truth doesn't change the truth.

AdeBug1 votes

w-wha? :)) thanks for the laugh talk about exaggerating and going offtopic

fyi, someone being triggered by criticism over inet, constructive or not, has nothing to do with your free speech, a reply is not censorship, calm down. it only means u prolly stumbled upon a boy with a circus in his pants

AfkFarmAllGameXD1 votes

botlane 0 and 20. me: " maybe you should put a ward in river and towerfarm" REPORTED GET AIDS, I HOPE YOUR FAMILY DIES OF CANCER IM GOING AFK ITS ALL YOUR FAULT. ENNEMY TEAM REPORT MY TOXIC TEAMMATE.

Milton Fletcher1 votes

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ask why the jinx is continuing to get caught and is fucking us over, her duo e boyfriend and the rest of the team bombard me with "you're toxic" and "toxicity is whats losing us the game" when these comments were made AFTER the enemy team made it to our nexus.

god bless the behavior team for what they turned this playerbase into.

a bunch of sensitive players who think they can feed and feed and waste everyones time and everyones just going to hold hands and sing kumbayah

Dead flag blues1 votes

Oh my god how I hate this fake sensitivity... "Yasuo, you died 3 times mid, stop trying to fight this guy and farm safely, you won't beat him any time soon" "reported toxic noob"

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