I want to see the next champion...

Gunpoint·Feb 10, 2015·6 votes·594 views

Have no gap closers, use mana, be a melee tank/fighter, and still be viable. Really want to make a fresh new champion? Heres what the game is missing.

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KingsgraveFeb 10, 20153 votes

The last champion like that we had was destructive to the entirety of solo queue for a small duration and then left in the dust.

Darius

Riot doesn't know how to make immobile fighters because they are nearly impossible to design. They have to have a fuck ton of random free stats and countering mechanisms because otherwise they get destroyed.

Are we really missing this tho?

We have: Darius Volibear Udyr Trundle Nasus Yorick Olaf Braum Taric Chogath Evelynn

Only 3 of the ones I listed aren't "viable"

Kitten of EvilFeb 10, 20151 votes

Which three? I'm assuming... Olaf?

KingsgraveFeb 10, 20151 votes

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Which three? I'm assuming... Olaf?

Olaf/Yorick/Taric

50WestFeb 10, 20151 votes

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Olaf/Yorick/Taric

Olaf is very much viable, he just still has this stigma against him since his last nerfs. I've seen Olaf's wreck games recently, especially jungle.

Knight SoIaire Feb 10, 20151 votes

Riot doesn't know how to make immobile fighters because they are nearly impossible to design.

or maybe because they dropped the ball on mobile champions to the point where immobile ones can compete only by being op since having a dash every 0,5 seconds stripps the immobile guys out of any chance at interaction

fun thing would e giving immobile ones some special role or feature that would encourage others to fight without their mobility

lets say we remove darius's dunk but we give him an insane range aoe buff around himself which causes his allies to take reduced damage and deal increased damage, this way we encourage enemies to go for darius allowing him to actualy fight since his teammates become preety harsh

but then we would need some other feature that would discourage abusing darius on mobile teams that would intercept anything coming towards darius

i dunno just though that the role of a commander fits champions with no mobility

yet there is a problem of riots design, basicaly their fken mindset that broke everything in the first place and doesnt agree to fix it

riot doesnt want champions to have any negative effect on his allies (kallistas ult being the worst offender here, also anivias wall but they dont care) breaking this taabo can make my conceptual darius a key asset to the team that brings punishment when he dies or limits his team in any other way

but anyway you just gave an idea for a thread that would ask ppl how they feel about it

KingsgraveFeb 10, 20151 votes

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or maybe because they dropped the ball on mobile champions to the point where immobile ones can compete only by being op since having a dash every 0,5 seconds stripps the immobile guys out of any chance at interaction

fun thing would e giving immobile ones some special role or feature that would encourage others to fight without their mobility

lets say we remove darius's dunk but we give him an insane range aoe buff around himself which causes his allies to take reduced damage and deal increased damage, this way we encourage enemies to go for darius allowing him to actualy fight since his teammates become preety harsh

but then we would need some other feature that would discourage abusing darius on mobile teams that would intercept anything coming towards darius

i dunno just though that the role of a commander fits champions with no mobility

yet there is a problem of riots design, basicaly their fken mindset that broke everything in the first place and doesnt agree to fix it

riot doesnt want champions to have any negative effect on his allies (kallistas ult being the worst offender here, also anivias wall but they dont care) breaking this taabo can make my conceptual darius a key asset to the team that brings punishment when he dies or limits his team in any other way

but anyway you just gave an idea for a thread that would ask ppl how they feel about it

You just took away the only interesting thing about Darius and just made him like Maokai.

The only immobile Melee Mana user archetype I can think of that wouldn't just be stat sticks would be a Shaman.

Knight SoIaire Feb 10, 20151 votes

You just took away the only interesting thing about Darius and just made him like Maokai.

he can have dunk or my suggested change anywhere in his kit it might even be his passive

The only immobile Melee Mana user archetype I can think of that wouldn't just be stat sticks would be a Shaman.

archetype is not so important to actualy fit since some of our assasins are able to score a pentakil in 3 seconds instead of assasinating someone

the main idea is to give immobile champions some way of creating or changing the interaction with the mechanics that delete them (ranged kiting and mobility)

another idea every time someone damages you he is pulled a little towards you (negates kiting a lot)

NarasimhaFeb 10, 20152 votes

I don't think we need another Udyr .

KingsgraveFeb 10, 20152 votes

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I don't think we need another .

Nor do we need another Darius or Trundle

disregardableFeb 10, 20151 votes

Chogath ?

GunpointFeb 10, 20151 votes

Damn u right

AlljoyFeb 10, 20151 votes

no gap closers, use mana, be a melee tank/fighter

We have champions like that.

and still be viable

By viable do you mean back when League was The League of Bruisers/Tanks or..?

fresh new champion

'Fresh' is what all the new ones with fancy kits are.

SEKAIFeb 10, 20151 votes

All my yeses.

cFlameFeb 10, 20151 votes

Instead of listing off what should be the next ideal champion, list what it SHOULDN'T BE: -Unchained by HEAVY resource cost -Has any dashes in any way, or some Rek'sai/Sion/Pantheon ult -Buffs assassins somehow in any shape or form -Uses %health damage as if that would help out bruisers or tanks in any way...