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Can Blitzcrank PLEASE have a rework this season...

DiamondLeonis··8 votes·1,357 views

So he isn't picked by trolls? He is completely unfun to play against because regardless of if you dodge his hook. He is still going to get somebody eventually and thats all he needs to do for free kills. Its offensive, how simple he is to play and how rewarding he is for essentially landing ONE skillshot.

I think thats why I find him so frustrating and usually ban him every time I get the chance. Its actually pretty insulting to me, (I play combo based supports that require landing more then one ability) that Blitzcrank gets all his power from ONE ability! Plus, he has an annoying laugh that will usually be spammed and it doesn't matter how well ANYONE plays, he will get somebody eventually.

He is horribly toxic and has been for a long long time. But Riot decided that "point and click" bombs on Zilean were more toxic then this champion. Whose whole DESIGN is BASED on the idea of playing like a troll. He is an obnoxious, HORRIBLY DESIGNED champion who relies on ONE skillshot to win the game and this just seems completely unfair.

He actually makes me want to quit the game because of how unfun he is to play against. Yes, you can dodge his Q but he WILL get somebody eventually, just because of the low cooldown on his grab and minimal mana cost and it is not fair watching my ADC get pulled out of my support range because they picked something immobile. Very FEW ADC's can dodge him.

At least Thresh has a level of counterplay with his hook, as does Nautilus who puts himself at risk.

26 Comments

Deneviel4 votes

Well both Thresh and Nautilus provvide way more than blitz on long term but i can agree that the laning phase vs him it's one of the most boring around ... you stay there hoping that your carry or supp won't get grabbed every 2 sec

Ozag the Mighty2 votes

I play both blitz and naut, still trying to get thresh down....the only thing blitz has going for him is the full body to body pull unlike naut which is a half and half, and thresh is just a drag. The negative side is blits doesn't have the defence naut has. He has his knock up yes, but with naut you say he puts himself in harms way...well yes but his W scales with health and if played right that shield is more ,"toxic" than blitz hook imo.

If your ADC is dumb enough to not position themselves behind their minions (most vayne players) then they deserve the hook. The best counter to blitz is your minion wall.

I'll tell you now I've had some really great blitz games and some horrible, the horrible ones are where the enemy stays behind their minions the while time. Also remember that hook has a rather large hit box so if your playing correctly it will hit a minion if you bait it, early game it has a high cool down.

Hope some of this helps, but IMO naut is worse to deal with than blitz.

DiamondLeonis1 votes

However Nautilus pulls himself to the enemy, thus putting himself in danger. Blitz on the other hand, pulls enemies away from their allies which is by definition, safer then Naut.

Meep Man1 votes

A Naut that is building Tank is never truly in danger. His W health ratio is huge and is always useful. Blitz can rendered useless unlike Naut. Naut has too much crowd control to be ever be in danger if he doesn't just screw the rules and launch himself under the enemy tower.

The Deckowner1 votes

Naut WANTS to get into the middle of enemy because rest of his kit REQUIRES him to be in the middle of everybody for max efficiency. And his high base tank stat and tank steroid from w allows him to be in such situation.

Ozag the Mighty1 votes

I stand by saying naut is worse to lane against like I said he puts him self in danger but with his W his tanky mess goes up along with the slow from his E and if it's a team fight his R makes everyone sing pop goes the weasle.

I am Pacman2 votes

Blitzcrank is fine and is one of the few champions who over the years has barley changed. He doesn't need a rework. He is just one of the last true counters in the game.

Blitzcrank can be countered by any initiator. Most people pick alistar as he is the easiest and everyone has him. LITERALLY EVERYONE OWNS A FREE BLITZ COUNTER. But it can go beyond that. Braum is good against blitz, morgana as well. They pick blitz? amumu junlge, reksai jungle, gragas jungle. You can also pick any number of mobile adcs. Ezreals the first that comes to mind because you can blink with e just as you get hit by hook and it will still blink away every time. Lucian can dodge, trist and corkis jumps work like ez so they go free as well.

But on the flipside, blitz technically can counter or hard shut down any squishy member immobile of the enemy team. He himself counters adcs like varus, ashe, jhin, draven or supports like soraka, sona, lulu.

TL;DR Blitz is just a specilized counter. Very good in some matchups and in the right hands will always be a threat to at least the midlaner (although zhyonas). Very bad when countered or in the wrong hands.

S0kaX1 votes

I can relate to this post

AttackOnTeemos1 votes

What I never understand is that people want a rework for champions but never want to put how to rework him. I mean you countered everything you said here. Him having that one skill that makes him feel broken. kayle has that one skill that can make or break a teamfight. Soraka has that one skill that can make or break a teamfight

Tristana can get away from blitz, Vayne can knock him away, Siv can spellblock the attack, Alister as a support can knock blitz away after he pulls someone. You got countless counters to blitz but it sounds like you just get butthurt when you make a mistake playing against him.

How would they nerf Bliz be honest? Give him more down time on his Q? So he can just build more cd reduction and grab you. Better yet how about they just make it to where when he launches his arm it's like a Olaf Weapon, he has to go grab it if he misses the grab to get some cd refunded. >_>

Meep Man1 votes

Riot can never change Blitzcrank Q to not be what it is today because it is what defines him as a champion. Same goes for Teemo R and the like. Try telling a Blitzcrank main that their Q is going to be removed or nerfed heavily. They might just slap you.

Troy2426211 votes

[{quoted}](name=Inept Maverick,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=MA9JAMe5,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2016-09-14T13:12:24.111+0000)

Riot can never change Blitzcrank Q to not be what it is today because it is what defines him as a champion. Same goes for Teemo R and the like. Try telling a Blitzcrank main that their Q is going to be removed or nerfed heavily. They might just slap you.

Blitzcrank's pull isn't the death knell in lane. If you get pulled at level 1, you'll notice this. It's the fact he chains it with a knock-up and a silence.

Meep Man1 votes

Well, 0.5 second silence, but yes, that is the truth. However, his E is basically part of his Q to me (and most Blitzs out there). You aren't going to use it much any other time since no one wants to be anywhere near you so it's basically a part of your Q. I think Blitz mains would be ok if their R was changed, but you can't change his QE combo since it's his bread and butter.

It would be like Darius losing his dunk.

The Deckowner1 votes

Blitz's e and r are only there to enhance his q, without his q rest of his kit is garbage.

DiamondLeonis2 votes

I'm not saying it should be changed, I am saying that there should be more to it then just "pull enemy" and knock up and then silence. You are already pulling the enemy away from their allies and in range of your ADC. That seems like a pretty massive benefit for one skillshot. Maybe change his knock up to a "bear hug" where he holds the enemy there but has counterplay because there is a mechanic that allows you to break free or something?

Taking the silence off his ultimate would help. Talon lost his, so why does Blitz still have it after Riot said that "Silence is toxic and lacks counterplay"?

Ralanr1 votes

Because assassins had the unhealthy combo of silencing you and then bursting you, preventing you from doing anything in response.

Blitzcrank's silence comes with his burst, so if it doesn't kill you, it'll silence you for a really short duration. It's the only thing that allows him to be useful if he fails to catch you.

Could he use a rework? Sure, but he's not exactly only played by trolls.

I'd imagine they'd only give him a new W and change his mana shield passive though.

DiamondLeonis2 votes

Blitzcranks ult actually does a fair bit of damage and has a rather good AP ratio on it. Its surprising how much damage it does, for a essentially a "tank" support.

Ralanr1 votes

Oh agreed. He's one of those old champions that still has high ratios on their skills (Malphite with 100% AP scaling ult for example).

I don't disagree that he needs some changes, I'm disagreeing that he's inherently toxic because of having a silence burst combo like the assassins used to have.

DiamondLeonis1 votes

Yeah, so maybe if he loses some of his excess damage that he doesn't need. He will seem a lot more balanced and not be as rewarded for landing his Q as he is currently.

Ralanr1 votes

If you weaken the reward for landing his Q, you basically make Blitzcrank unplayable. He's pretty useless if he misses his Q.

You'd have to make other conditions that Blitzcrank can utilize to be successful. So he'd need changes to allow this. Again I think his W and mana passive should be replaced with something that helps him stay relevant with a missed hook. Do that and you can shave his main strengths a bit.

Aptest3 votes

allowing him to grab allies will take care of that. the long range save the day will be awesome.

Ralanr1 votes

That'd be so fun. Though it might crowd out Tahm's ability to eat allies.

But the amount of times I wish I could hook allies is amazing.

Actually this would be a much bigger troll ability.

Meep Man1 votes

That's what Blitz DOES though. Pull and then knock up. The silence is minimal since it's only 0.5 seconds. Blitz is like the chameleon of League. You have to know where he is or you will get picked off.

The Deckowner1 votes

you can literally flash/dash his knock up

Deneviel2 votes

[{quoted}](name=Inept Maverick,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=MA9JAMe5,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2016-09-14T13:12:24.111+0000)

Riot can never change Blitzcrank Q to not be what it is today because it is what defines him as a champion. Same goes for Teemo R and the like. Try telling a Blitzcrank main that their Q is going to be removed or nerfed heavily. They might just slap you.

well they can make Q max range or the pull distance scale with lvl ( lvl 1 pull you a bit closer lvl 5 pull you on bliz )

The Deckowner1 votes

The power of his rocket grab is balanced by how useless the rest of his kit is and how squishy he is compare to all other tanks. "I can't dodge skillshot so X champion is toxic" is not a good reason because you can say that for basically any champion.

Tge counterplay of Blitz is so simple, just pick hard engage tanks/long ranged carries. Blitzcrank can get pick and that is all he does. He can't peel for shit he can't cc for shit, he can't tank for shit.

I play Blitz Thresh and Nautilus (hook city baby), in the three Blitz is imo the weakest in terms of straight up power and consistancy.

If you have hard time dodging rocket grab, here is the secret: stand near a minion, the fat hitbox of the minion will take every rockectgrab for you, I promise this works 100%.

Aptest1 votes

Blitzcrank should be brought up to the times. I mean, buffed.

We live in an era where eating your allies is ok. Where teleporting them on opponents is ok. where forcing them to zonya is ok.

**Blitz should be able to grab allies. ** it's going to be the ultimate: LOL, mr carry sir, no you ain't doing me no "MadVaynePlays" today.

beep boop RITO PLS

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