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Me: Brand could you buy a sightstone please? Allied Brand: "No, I autofilled support deal with it."

metaworldpeace10··85 votes·5,573 views

We really need to eradicate this type of behavior in our community. Everyone has to autofill. There are no ifs and buts, its just the nature of the beast. The reason autofill exists is because not enough people play support. Riot has tried their best (and has done a great job) at making support a more attractive role. Riot has been actively supporting mages like Brand Zyra Morgana Velkoz to go down to bot lane and become the teams "2nd ap carry" option. Whether this has been successful or not is up to debate, but the point stands that Riot is trying to improve the support role. Autofill allows for the queues to be shorter at the expense of role selection. While many are not in support of autofill, the system is MUCH better than the old "pick order" or bust that we had before the new champ select in season 6. You had a 1/5 chance of "autofilling" in the old system for every game. I'm 100% sure that the chances of you being autofilled into a role that you don't want is significantly lower than the 1/5 chance in the previous system.

Point being, autofill stinks, but that doesn't mean we get the right to troll the game. If you get autofilled in a role that you do not want to play a simple message in the pre-game chat lobby could solve almost all of your issues. People will be more inclined to trade roles if you say "Hey i got autofilled into X role and I'm not very good at this role, would somebody mind trading their role for mine?" It might not work 100% of the time, but I'm sure the team will adapt and allow you to trade roles for the sake of winning.

182 Comments

EndlessSorcerer27 votes

I really don't understand why building item 2301 is so difficult for some people.

If they build that, they can build whatever else they want.

Troll for Trump6 votes

It's so dang gold inefficient a lot of the times. You can rush things like sightstone or whatever if you have one of the more carry-eqsue or oppressive ADCs. After you get Drav, Cait, or Vayne 1 or 2 kills, you can feel secure that you won the lane and rush sighstone.

But something like Ez/Siv/Kog, or whatnot, it's just annoying. After you get the double, you're not sure whether or not you've won the lane, because you're relying on someone else, and not yourself. After you give them the kills, and they don't use it effectively, you have to take it into your own hands to keep the lane from dying. You get a double bot, and your Ez gets item 1083 and item 3070 . He's not using his gold effectively, and not pressuring their bot lane enough, and they actually have a chance to recover. You need to be the oppressive force that prevent their bot lane from being relevant.

Ulquiorra9959 votes

You say you have to prevent their lane from being relevant. Then suddenly, a wild Lee or Vi appear and you are in their half of lane because you didn't see them coming in time. Well, there's a double kill for the enemy and now they're the ones preventing you from being relevant. Vision has no price. You'll feed because you can't see their jungler coming. You'll fall behind because you can't safely take objectives or they get sneaked under your noses. I've been maining support for few seasons and mostly playing Zyra for the last two (since she can actually turn things around if someone else feeds) - and even on her, one of most carry-like supports, it's a highest priority item for me - immediately after T2 gold generation item.

SchmidttyGames2 votes

My first back with Zyra is Sightstone, then tier 2 gold into Eye. If you haven't been ganked by the first back, especially in the current "bot lane party" meta, you certainly will before your second back, and it is about this time you'll want to start keeping tabs on the dragon pit as well. Most Supports can afford this delay if you consider what you can possibly gain from the earlier vision control. Zyra...well...that land is hers anyway.

When you move in for one CS and half your heath disappears. Suddenly you're running from two thornspitters that are still chewing on you and Zyra's chasing you...item 3070

Verdade6 votes

Flash news: It's completely possible get 100% uptime of river brush ward with 2 trinkets. For tribrush always place a pink ward and you're golden.

Ulquiorra9958 votes

And then suddenly the chat window lights up: The enemy team has slain the Dragon.

Also I hope you enjoy playing against, say, Blitz, Leona, Zyra, Sona and others without being able to ward lane bush. They'll surely appreciate the free zoning ability you just gave them.

KilljoyX11 votes

{quoted}

I really don't understand why building item 2301 is so difficult for some people.

If they build that, they can build whatever else they want.

Because its a huge gold detour. If you are hard carrying and people dont respond to vision anyway there's no value in a SS.

Spoofghoul6 votes

you can use vision yourself evern if nobody else does

the item gives bonus damage, worth as much as any item which would have given additional ap the item is cheap gives cdr gives manaregen still gives a little ap and gives hp

and most importanly vision ofc

Im honestly not sure what else you would get on brand for example which would be better, brand or even velkoz or zyra can easily proc the bonus damage, they lack large ap ratios and mostly use base damage in addition to rylais/liandries

In fact i would argue that they should buy this in midlane as well since it wont really hurt their damage much at all, a brand proccing the tribute passive would need an extra 100 ap to deal equal damage if he werent proccing it, on a full rotation, rather then just landing 1 ability and proccing it witht the passive

as a single item it's probably the strongest one he can for damage get besides liandries and voidstaff

IcyPepper2 votes

If you are hard carrying and people dont respond to vision

Then respond to vision yourself? Set a trap, catch out enemies that fall into your web of feeding. Get even more fed.

Three wards is enough to set up camp in a specific area of the map, or to watch your ass if you're overextended. It's not rocket science, you can still use vision offensively even if you're allies aren't responding to it defensively.

Or just buy a control ward, I guess.

Craft Zeppelin17 votes

item 2301 item 3649 item 2303 Velkoz item 2050item 2302 item 2045 item 3187

Can you spot the support velkoz in his natural habitat? Because I cant.

Pandemic Punch5 votes

LOL

Glory ln Death2 votes

I didn't know they gave Vel'Koz a Camouflage ability!!!

Crap, what did I do with my Control Wards?!?!

Craft Zeppelin3 votes

[{quoted}](name=Glory ln Death,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=M8x1a3GG,comment-id=00150002,timestamp=2016-12-29T17:22:12.605+0000)

I didn't know they gave Vel'Koz a Camouflage ability!!!

Crap, what did I do with my Control Wards?!?!

Octopuses have the best camouflage in the animal kingdom. He will be hiding somewhere in the botlane bush to snipe you.

I, before this vel sup thing became popular was always convincing people by explaining the synergy between Velkoz and item 2045 in soloque. Because I myself am a gigantic sightstone that can attack enemies and be purchased by zero gold.

They stared back at me of course.

kurufal4 votes

[{quoted}](name=Craft Zeppelin,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=M8x1a3GG,comment-id=0015,timestamp=2016-12-29T00:54:32.520+0000)

item 2301 item 3649 item 2303 Velkoz item 2050item 2302 item 2045 item 3187

Can you spot the support velkoz in his natural habitat? Because I cant.

Because eye cant.

/Fixed.

PROJECT Katarìna15 votes

I still miss the old days where I could just upgrade my item 3340 to item 3361 for 250 and its basically sightstone

bad arcade kitty11 votes

it's his right to build whatever he wants

he didn't give you build advice, did he?

Marshbouy7 votes

Attempting to get a community to clean up even a few issues involving difficult members that refuse to help is incredibly difficult. If it wasn't difficult, we would be living in something much closer to a utopia than we are right now.

Tribbles Foxfolk6 votes

People need to nut up and learn how to play Support. It's not hard. Maybe if they weren't FotM freelo-bandwagoneers and OTPs, we wouldn't have this non-issue.

Mira Arya Enthe16 votes

As if people doing what they enjoy in a videogame is some evil to be eradicated?

NineTailedMystic3 votes

I'm sure its less "learning how to Support", more "wanting to support".

Krystle5 votes

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Ada Wong2 votes

{quoted}

You reported his ass of course, right?

What would you report for "Refusing to buy sight stone" Sight stone pretty much unless your in like Diamond Elo with 4 other players that know what they are doing like honestly the (Stats) are not even worth buying (Everyone has wards now.) And on top of this (Jungle can have wards to (BW) and if you are going to take Sight stone as a support might as well take Smite and just buy a jungle item because its more powerful and get wards.

How about we report the "Jungle who did not sync around team comp which is 99% of most games" the jungle who (Fail Ganks) (Throws Lanes hard) like happens a very lot to due to auto fill...

So I fail to understand how not taking sight stone is a reportable offense when there are 4 other players who run around the jungle (No CC often) no Proper (BW) no (3 second rule) come on...

King J3ff2 votes

What do you know about diamond elo? Honestly, even silver elo players know what they are doing.

Qiyeanu Reeves5 votes

I really get autofilled into mid or ADC more than I get autofilled into support. The irony of this is I would rather play support than either of this roles, so when somebody gets autofilled into support I often times volunteer to take it from them. Then, that person gets autofill protection and I don't. :)

I don't think autofill should be in any queue except for like D5+ personally. The queues below that are already short.

Unlucky474 votes

I don't like being forced into roles. I don't troll or do stupid shit when I get auto filled, I usually just dodge. Sure the mindset of players is a problem when getting auto filled, but the bigger problem is people being put into uncomfortable positions where they have less control over a game.

Lexyy1 votes

How did you play 2 years ago when we didn't have queue with selected roles?

Unlucky474 votes

I think I started at the end of season 5 so I didnt

Pandemic Punch2 votes

Welp, that is a pretty good response.

Lexyy1 votes

{quoted}

I think I started at the end of season 5 so I didnt

Exactly my point. You don't know how bad it was. You complain now without even realizing how good we have it now.

Unlucky471 votes

But I know how good we had it before autofill and that's the problem. Autofill doesn't add anything to the game except frustration and trolls. I've consistently lost more games ever since autofill was added because people don't know how to support despite how easy the role is. Not to mention the longer queue times....

Lexyy1 votes

But dude.... the last person who got in champion select would probably be selected as support too. What makes you think they knew how to play it? How often would someone call support first or second? They usually put support now on autofill, too.

People used to argue and instalock. They do it less here because hey, it's not my problem you got the role you got.

Jesus is Savior4 votes

{quoted}

While many are not in support of autofill, the system is MUCH better than the old "pick order" or bust that we had before the new champ select in season 6.

In pick order I got my role 95% of the time through negotiation.

In role selection I get my role about 30% of the time, and I get my secondary/autofill the other 70% of the time.

I'm calling bullshit. Pick order was WAY better.

(I've actually quit League of Legends cuz I'm tired of not getting my role at all - and I used to play every day)

the Anarchit3cht7 votes

Did you know that 63% of all statistics are made up?

Jesus is Savior2 votes

[{quoted}](name=the Anarchit3cht,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=M8x1a3GG,comment-id=001a0000,timestamp=2016-12-29T02:32:30.006+0000)

Did you know that 63% of all statistics are made up?

Not hard to keep track when you literally land support in 1/20 games and jungle in 19/20 games, especially with match history tools.

Meanwhile now... I queue jungle/top and get TOP TOP TOP AUTOFILL and rage quit the game.

Don't believe me? just look at my season 4 stats. I have jungle champion in like 1200 games, and support champion in like 50.

the Anarchit3cht1 votes

If this IS true(which it isn't...) might I suggest that you never play the lottery or anything chance based? because the odds are not in your favor.

Jesus is Savior1 votes

[{quoted}](name=the Anarchit3cht,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=M8x1a3GG,comment-id=001a000000000001,timestamp=2016-12-30T00:37:08.723+0000)

If this IS true(which it isn't...)

"Don't believe me? just look at my season 4 stats. I have jungle champion in like 1200 games, and support champion in like 50."

Also I get my SECONDARY way more than my primary. It isn't just autofill. I've been playing Eve top/mid this season because of it. Never had to do that in previous seasons. In previous seasons I almost always got to jungle.

the Anarchit3cht2 votes

your season 4 stats are literally entirely irrelevant. what you did in season 4 has absolutely no bearing on a system for season 6

Sukishoo8 votes

pick order was garbage.

(I've actually quit League of Legends cuz I'm tired of not getting my role at all - and I used to play every day)

If you quit then stop coming here :)

Errastas4 votes

Pick order was great, required people to actually know how to play each role. Now you get autofilled and most likely useless because you can't play that lane.

HazyCloud73 votes

I think supports should always buy sightstone, but I wouldn't go so far as to say what that Brand did was trolling. Int feeding & griefing teammates...that's more along the lines of trolling.

Verdade3 votes

Not even trolling, sorry. Just because someone doesn't do what you want it doesn't mean he's trolling

Vistrall3 votes

The system needs to have more games between forced auto fills...

Yesterday, voluntarily play fill and get support. 2 games later and I'm being autofilled to support... at least I can try out some more "creative" support picks and builds often...

Nasus JarvanIV Jhin Karthus

Dryditch2 votes

TBF, Nasus is at least somewhat viable for support because of his 12 second exhaust and synergy with Targons :3

Vistrall3 votes

He's one of my favorite supports tbh :P but I actually play him AP, his E poke early and mid game with thunderlords is pretty good. His W is great vs attack speed enemies.

Jarvan is fairly good if the enemy bot lane can not escape his Ult (other then Flash). Sometimes if I'm last pick I'll take him.

Jhin isn't the best but if MF can support, then why not?

Karthus is just a champ I like, but since he's one of the strongest late game champs, he can pay off

RookPusher3 votes

A few things from this low-bronze support main.

  1. If they remove autofill, everyone's going to be here crying about queue lengths.

  2. I wish they'd make autofill suck more so that people knew what it was like to be a real support - if only to give us credit. E.g. you can only buy boots and gold income items until you've purchased SS/equivalent.

  3. I'm telling you I main support, have supports up the wazu (only missing Tahm) and routinely give my team/adc the option of "do you want a tank or mage" based on the enemies comp. (i.e. if I have flexibility to pick, i'll give you a choice in the type). Here's what I get for it:

a. Do you have [CHAMP X] b. "no, don't play them, they suck, play [champ i hate playing] c. "no dude, jinx NEEDS [support I don't like]

The issue here is this. Support's often seen as the weakest link (esp. when they're a SS-free Brand taking your kills) and I'm here telling you I do this all day. My nautilus has a +50% win rate, my Zilean is strong, and my Braum owns team fights. And yet - and yet - I have moron ADCs telling me what I need to do to win. They don't know, they throw tantrums, and they cost matches.

So frankly I'm glad people are forced to blow an hour of their lives doing something they hate. It's karmic retribution for the suffering you put on others.

PoisonedPeace2 votes

You realize you don't have to do anything anyone tells you right?

Swiftstrike41 votes

In low elo (silver and bronze) I don't expect any of them to build sightstone. If they don't I will ask them too because everyone builds it in gold, but there is a reason they are in the elo they are in. Part of that is the habit of vision or their view that it doesn't matter.

Verdade3 votes

On the contrary. Bronze/silver "support mains" cling to "MUST GET MY SIGHTSTONE!@!#!$" because they can't think for themselves and think they're doing great when they copy pros. Bronzies/silvers can't utilize sighstone most of the time, it's much more efficient just to skip it and learn how to work around it. Plat/diamonds will eventually build sightstones, but often very delayed (depending on their pick). These know how things work and why they do these things. High-plats and higher are getting sightstone early, because it's REQUIRED by the style HOW THEY PLAY IN THERE.

Hovering Hentai1 votes

More people need to be aware of the option to combine sightstone and the support item most people don't even know this option exists

ForFoxSakes4 votes

IMO the combined item usually is subpar to the other option though. item 3092 would much rather have the vision and slow it goes item 3401 would rather have a shield

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