Doublelift's take on Socrates' statement;

Dominick Destine·Jun 2, 2016·109 votes·5,310 views

http://imgur.com/u7tIELj

But just for shiz and giggles; http://imgur.com/LORmTrg

"Hurr durr, muh dunmaic queue so gudder"

83 Comments

KONO RUBICK DAJun 2, 201628 votes

"why did you leave zeus, you ony played 1 game"

welp because like you see guys, i was clever to avoid games like this.

invisiblecat1Jun 2, 20162 votes

Lol I remember all those people

Tiny TricksterJun 2, 20169 votes

No solo queue -> harder to see individual skill -> harder to find legit good players -> harder to create good teams -> championship becomes a clown fiesta?

OHminusJun 3, 20161 votes

Nah. The championship will always be a Korean team (most likely SKT) vs another Korean team (ROX or KT). Yeah. I played on the Korean servers a bit and no one there does premades - everyone goes solo, even the pros. And thus the queue times are significantly lower and the games are more evenly matched.

I guess the biggest way to counter the problems DQ provides is... have everyone solo queue? Ironic.

RalanrJun 2, 20164 votes

What if they made premades fight higher ranked queues? If they can't force premades vs premades, why not make it so they have to compare their advantage of teamwork towards the enemy advantage of higher skill?

Dominick DestineJun 2, 201629 votes

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What if they made premades fight higher ranked queues? If they can't force premades vs premades, why not make it so they have to compare their advantage of teamwork towards the enemy advantage of higher skill?

How about fuck all that and give us the solo queue we are asking for in the first place?

RalanrJun 2, 20166 votes

Disclaimer: I'm not the most knowledgeable here.

I just assumed that after getting their asses handed to them by much higher level players they would see a much bigger risk to grouping vs solo.

Effectively counterbalance the risk and rewards to grouping and solo play.

AwesomeChadJun 3, 20164 votes

unfortunately riot doesn't want to enforce such a system because its counter to what their promotion is. They want casuals to play ranked together. Thats why they removed solo queue.

MunchCrunchLunchJun 2, 20166 votes

hurr durr too hopefull better get some friends you lifeless turrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrd

thats what riot would say.

The Yetii RiderJun 3, 20164 votes

[{quoted}](name=Dominick Destine,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=M7lphLH7,comment-id=00050000,timestamp=2016-06-02T19:30:15.087+0000)

How about fuck all that and give us the solo queue we are asking for in the first place?

Don't ask for things that aren't going to happen. Riot isn't going to revert this queue. They have data that we don't know about that suggests it is overwhelmingly good for the Plat and below community. That's reason enough for them to keep it the way it is.

The changes to affect higher players are just a band aid while they try to come up with a more permanent fix.

Dominick DestineJun 3, 20167 votes

[{quoted}](name=The Yetii Rider,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=M7lphLH7,comment-id=000500000002,timestamp=2016-06-03T00:16:48.968+0000)

Don't ask for things that aren't going to happen.

The alternative (For me) is to leave the game. I know more than a few others feel exactly the same way. Riot decides what path they want to take; Fuck the community we do what we want.... or.... let's admit we made a mistake and fix the problem (I.e. return solo queue that they removed).

"Things that aren't going to happen" in that context is basically saying : "We (riot) are going to kill this game"

The Yetii RiderJun 3, 20164 votes

[{quoted}](name=Dominick Destine,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=M7lphLH7,comment-id=0005000000020000,timestamp=2016-06-03T00:21:56.153+0000)

The alternative (For me) is to leave the game. I know more than a few others feel exactly the same way. Riot decides what path they want to take; Fuck the community we do what we want.... or.... let's admit we made a mistake and fix the problem (I.e. return solo queue that they removed).

"Things that aren't going to happen" in that context is basically saying : "We (riot) are going to kill this game"

That's ridiculous. What's your problem with the queue? The queue times and the quality are both being looked at. If you're patient soon Diamond+ will have around the same experience as everyone else.

Dominick DestineJun 3, 20167 votes

[{quoted}](name=The Yetii Rider,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=M7lphLH7,comment-id=00050000000200000000,timestamp=2016-06-03T00:25:40.557+0000)

That's ridiculous.

No, that's a fact.

People have been playing the game for 6 years in this fashion, they remove our game and give us something we don't want.... the choices are; Give us the game we love or we go to another game. That's that.

What's your problem with the queue?

I have no problems with dynamic queue, it's doing exactly what it's supposed to be doing but it's not what I want to play. I want to play solo queue like I've been playing since the beginning when I played a long time ago, since Xin Zhao release.

But let me break it down for you since you are not paying attention;

I don't want to play on the same team as a premade
I don't want to play against a premade
I don't want organized teams to share brackets with solo players because that destroys any skill metric we currently have

Do you understand? it's not complicated. I don't want to be forced to play on a 5-man organized team just to accomplish what I used to be able to do by myself... I am at a disadvantage alone, don't you get that? they fucked us, every solo queuer. They promised us solo queue many times and then betrayed us.... the outcome is their choice... but I see the writing on the wall.

The Yetii RiderJun 3, 20163 votes

Who cares if you're playing with or against a premade? Playing with premades, often times you won't be able to tell. You just don't get flamed for every little thing you do because they do it over voice chat to each other. Sounds good to me. Playing against premades isn't fun, but it's a skill you can develop. Doing it will help you get better at the game and make it more likely that you can actually climb higher into the tiers where group play is all that exists. Isn't that what you want?

Dominick DestineJun 3, 20169 votes

[{quoted}](name=The Yetii Rider,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=M7lphLH7,comment-id=0005000000020000000000000000,timestamp=2016-06-03T01:23:32.572+0000)

Who cares if you're playing with or against a premade?

Solo queuers.

There used to be a special queue for organized teams.

Isn't that what you want?

What I want is to play solo queue with other solo queuers. What part of this are you failing to understand?

IntakiNineJun 3, 20163 votes

You mean the same solo queue where you get double duo queues on your team?

AwesomeChadJun 3, 20164 votes

2 premades on one team is better than 1 premade of 3-4 players.

69982196_DELJun 4, 20161 votes

It's the same crap, I always wanted a premade free Q, and almost got a aneurysm the day Riot announced DQ.

Troll for TrumpJun 3, 20163 votes

You couldn't, Riot (I believe) said that premades were toxic to deal with, so you could only have a max of ONE TWO-MAN group on each side of the game.

BestTristMyHausJun 2, 20164 votes

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What if they made premades fight higher ranked queues? If they can't force premades vs premades, why not make it so they have to compare their advantage of teamwork towards the enemy advantage of higher skill?

The example they (Riot) gave when they discussed the problem is "what if SKT plays as a 5-man?" There ISN'T a higher rank queue they can put them against. I'm sure THAT is why the higher ranks are being cut off from 4 & 5 man premades, but that kinda dumps the POINT of "dynamic queue", doesn't it? (hence, why people are saying just go back to solo queue)

Faceroll TacticsJun 2, 20164 votes

They had this thing called Ranked 5v5s, where SKT could que and never get the opportunity to stomp solo players.

GaleWinUnleashedJun 2, 20161 votes

They already do that.

PartholonianJun 3, 20162 votes

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What if they made premades fight higher ranked queues?

They do that already, but there's nothing higher for a 4 Challenger premade to play against. They have to play against the highest people who are on, even if those people are objectively way below them.

At least, after the next update, the 4 Challengers couldn't all be in the same premade, which would allow the system to split them up and put some on each team. You'd still have Diamond and Challenger in the same game if there aren't enough Challenger/Master players looking, but at least it would be each team having 2 Challenger, one Master and 2 Diamond rather than the setup in the OP.

Irelia BotJun 3, 20164 votes

issue is judging how much of a real advantage being in a premade actually provides.

Some premades are just friends in game with no call going while others are 3 bronze and 2 diamond smurfs on silver accounts in a call.

One is likely to have a far better chance to win then the other.

genya03Jun 3, 20163 votes

DQ is a insult to gaming community.

ACENOXJun 2, 20162 votes

can someone explain what should be seen?

Dominick DestineJun 2, 201650 votes

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can someone explain what should be seen?

A team of 4 Challenger players (top 50 players of all) together with a Master player (Bracket above Diamond) are matched against a team of 4 Diamonds and 1 master.

Bracket wise; This is like placing 4 golds and a silver against 4 bronzes and a silver.

GenericGirlNameJun 2, 20163 votes

[{quoted}](name=Dominick Destine,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=M7lphLH7,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2016-06-02T19:10:18.196+0000)

A team of 4 Challenger players (top 50 players of all) together with a Master player (Bracket above Diamond) are matched against a team of 4 Diamonds and 1 master.

Bracket wise; This is like placing 4 golds and a silver against 4 bronzes and a silver.

wel its actually a bronze team and a silver vs a team of plat 2s and a plat 5 gold and bronze arnt all to different but gold and plat are different but plat and diamond are a huge differenct and diamond and Master is reallllyy huge

DREADN0UGHTJun 2, 20169 votes

The higher you go in the ladder, the bigger the difference between Tiers gets. As a matter of fact, from what some pro players have said, there is a significant difference in skill between Diamond 5 and 4, 4 and 3, 3 and 2, 2 and 1, D1 and Master/Challenger.

Qtipie once said: ''Diamond three is to Challenger what Bronze is to Diamond 5. Its a completely different fucking game. A full challenger team would steamroll a Diamon 3 team no problem.''

ArakadiaJun 5, 20161 votes

please, please, please, use commas or periods. You had so many and's without punctuation yours so hard to understand.

DeynaTaggerungJun 3, 201620 votes

The issue is that that's been happening since before dynamic queue. There's just not enough players in Master-Challenger to make sure they're always up against other Master-Challenger players. I mean, sure those 4 may know each other but it's hardly new that really high level players stomp through Diamond games, and all their smurfs climbing back to Masters...

HawkefireJun 3, 201616 votes

Such an issue was much rarer however, as you didn't have people grouping up in large pre-made in solo que

Troll for TrumpJun 3, 20164 votes

What? No. Those guys are premade. Before you could only have two man premades. Because of the toxicity of premades, WHICH RIOT ADMITTED, they made it so you could have a max of one two man premade on each side of the team.

With Dynamic Queue, you can get parties like this. Because of a lack of 5 man parties in higher elos, and Riot's system encourages teams of 5s to be paired with other teams of 5, they either get paired with teams of 5 that are really low elo, or people that aren't 5 man premades. In either case, they gget a huge advantage.

My Waifu VanillaJun 3, 20165 votes

You have zero proof that that is a premade and not just matchmaking being awful as usual.

Troll for TrumpJun 3, 20164 votes

Oh yeah you're right.

Na.Op.GG used to show you which teams were premade, but nope. Riot removed that option; now people like you can say "you can't tell whether or not they are premade". Of course you can't, RIOT WANTS TO WITHHOLD THE INFORMATION FROM US.

You can check match history and see who they've played with. If you can't figure out how to do that... you might not be that bright

DeynaTaggerungJun 3, 20161 votes

My point was that before we had 1-2 stomping through pubs and carrying a team, sometimes even more if there were too few challenger games getting started up so this was actually happening anyways.

Not to mention smurfs which meant that even if the ranks look the same there were wolves in sheep's clothing causing an imbalance in teams. So while I'm not for Dynamic Queue this isn't really the issue. The issue is that solo play and team play are two different ways of playing the game and require different skillsets. So someone that is good at working with a team will not climb the same way that someone who is good at map awareness and figuring things out on their own when those should be in two different ladders

Troll for TrumpJun 3, 20161 votes

You couldn't HAVE more than one two man premade on a team at any given point, no matter how few people there were.

1-2 people stomping is better than 3-4 people stomping. Now you can even get 2 2 man premades on your team. With all the promoting Riot has done, there are a lot more premades too.

UrgotMainAmAJun 3, 20162 votes

[{quoted}](name=Dominick Destine,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=M7lphLH7,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2016-06-02T19:10:18.196+0000) Bracket wise; This is like placing 4 golds and a silver against 4 bronzes and a silver.

It's even worse than that, especially if those players are higher in Challenger, the difference in LP and MMR between the players would be even bigger

YouPoroJun 3, 20164 votes

[{quoted}](name=Dominick Destine,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=M7lphLH7,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2016-06-02T19:10:18.196+0000)

A team of 4 Challenger players (top 50 players of all) together with a Master player (Bracket above Diamond) are matched against a team of 4 Diamonds and 1 master.

Bracket wise; This is like placing 4 golds and a silver against 4 bronzes and a silver.

its more like putting 4 diamonds and a plat versus 4 bronzes and silver, the gap between diamond and top 50 is insane lol

S H A Y C 0Jun 3, 20161 votes

isnt challenger top 200?

Whut Thuh Jun 3, 20161 votes

taht doesnt take into account the prestige of challenger. its like the top 50 gold players in their promos for plat vs uper middle bronze so its worse than even you said.

DrCyanideJun 2, 20162 votes

4 Diamonds matched against 4 Challengers, with 1 Master on each team is all I can guess.

DREADN0UGHTJun 2, 20162 votes

(On a completely different subject, weren't you banned for ''third party program usage''? Or were you just drafted with all the others by accident because Rito is sorts of fucked up?)

Dominick DestineJun 3, 20165 votes

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(On a completely different subject, weren't you banned for ''third party program usage''? Or were you just drafted with all the others by accident because Rito is sorts of fucked up?)

I was perma-banned for "Extreme toxicity". After putting in a support ticket , they reviewed my case and the perma-ban was overturned.

If you look at my post history , you can see the chat logs that I posted which resulted in that initial, manual perma-ban by a Rioter and decide for yourself if what you see constitutes "extreme toxicity"... so extreme that it was deemed worthy of going from zero to perma-ban (Spoiler: It wasn't worthy, Riot fucked up hard).

Edit: Since I post a LOT, it might be a hassle to sift through .... here's a link to the thread with the chat logs that showed my "EXTREME TOXICITY", which a Rioter saw and manually decided to hit me with a perma-ban from zero punishment tier. Yes, I will continue saying it like that because it was a colossal fuck-up by Riot.

DREADN0UGHTJun 3, 20165 votes

You got perma-banned for THAT? WOOOOOOooooooowww.... I mean... I literally wasn't believe it when I was reading the first lines... I was waiting to see that ONE super toxic line... What the fuck are they doing???

Dominick DestineJun 3, 20165 votes

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You got perma-banned for THAT? WOOOOOOooooooowww....

Thank you, finally someone understands.

To be fair I'm very annoying, I 100% admit that.... but toxic? EXTREMELY toxic? let alone zero-to-permaban toxic? no... not at all. Maybe a chat restriction but permaban ? no.

I was waiting to see that ONE super toxic line

That would make a lot more sense... but even if they scowered my past 2,000 games, they'd never find anything more toxic than "Yeah not arguing with you, just putting you on ignore" or maybe "You hard-fed (To a guy that is 0-10 at early game)". One specific Rioter simply had it out for me.

DREADN0UGHTJun 3, 20163 votes

Not bragging about it or anything, but when I tilt, I don't think nor chew my words before I type them. I say shit like ''stfu you worthless piece of leftover shit'', and I never got close to getting a chat restriction... Because I only tilt once every month? I don't know. But I remember alot of instances when I said shit 10x worse than that, and always go away with it.

Its kinda sad really. We all complain about the lack of effectiveness of an automatic system, but then the ''manual'' system also means being subject to arbitrary bans and punishements just because the guy handling the ban-hammer hates your name, for instance.

Troll for TrumpJun 3, 20162 votes

It's always the same people posting...

DTN, Reaper Review, Nep2une... White knighting jeez.

ZerolockeJun 2, 20161 votes

What I find funny is his comment acts like there are no other games. Second that league now has a system like other online games. Those games are doing good sooo......

DREADN0UGHTJun 2, 20162 votes

Name them pls.