Isn't Kalista's passive supposed to give the other person a choice?

CupcakeTrap··59 votes·10,755 views
PSA to Kalista players: My hatred for you is without limit.

I posted a jokey thread today to gripe about my rather unpleasant first experience with a Kalista on my team. That thread doesn't really seek serious responses. But I'd like to focus in on a somewhat more genuine gripe: whether Kalista's "soul-binding", which lets her push R to seize control of you at any time, should require an initial act of agreement from the target, or if she should be able to bind you without you having a choice in the matter.

When Kalista was first announced, I seem to recall it being indicated that her passive worked as follows: she tosses out the spear item, and then it's up to the other Champion whether or not to bind themselves to her and become her discount Braum ult. As far as I can tell, that's not how she works on live. There's no choice: she clicks on you and then you get "killed" and turned into her skillshot for the rest of the match.

I have to say, I liked it better the way it was first described: as an affirmative decision. I suppose in an ideal world, Kalista players would ask you in chat beforehand, "Can I bind you, or should I bind the jungler?" or something like that, but this is LoL: we don't always get the ideal when it comes to inter-player communication. That being the case, it seems that the game itself should give you a choice.


The status quo is … awkward, to say the least.

Kalista hi veigar Veigar Who the hell are you? Kalista im kallista Kalista kalista* Kalista from shado ilses Veigar Never heard of you. Kalista im new Kalista lookin 4 friends at institute Kalista everyone seems super nice Veigar …why are you looking at me like that? Kalista u want vengence? Veigar Ye— WAIT. I have heard about you. No! Go away! Kalista k we frends now Veigar No! I said no! I sa— AARARRGGGHGHHHHH! Kalista lol Kalista now i help u take vengnce with ult Veigar What does that mean? I move faster? Get a shield? Do more damage? Kalista no i throw u at the other team and u knock them up Veigar WHAT? Kalista remember 2 peel for me Veigar So at last it has come to this. Veigar Transformed into a lackluster Braum ult in the hands of an imbecile ADC. Veigar My life is torment. Kalista sigh no wards Kalista hey cutie Leona Oh, hello.


Kalista i offer ppl a grim choice 2 claim vengence Lux W-what? What do you mean? Kalista if they impale themselves on my spear we are bffs 4evah Lux Why would someone do that?! Kalista because vengnce has consumed all that they once wer Kalista or actuly i just stab them Kalista like by surprise Kalista lol Lux That's not a bargain. That's just murdering someone with a spear! Kalista ask narrtive is in my story Kalista new lore much better imo Kalista it is a dark ritual Lux It's really not! You're just a psychopath with a spear! Kalista u sound angry Kalista maybe vengeful Kalista … Lux … Lux LUCIAN! VAYNE! HEL— AAARGGGGHHHHHHH!!! Kalista she has acepted my dark pact Kalista we have both grown as characters actuly Kalista new lore much better imo


Kalista oh hey trundle Trundle glare Trundle Yeah? Kalista i hear u want vengeance on the other trols Kalista they made fun of you and stuff Kalista we should teach them a lesson Trundle Yeah, I already took care of that. Kalista u stabbed urself? Trundle I bashed their fucking heads in with a giant club. Trundle And then I took all their stuff. Kalista but when did u stab urself Trundle Legendary general, huh. Kalista ya Kalista u know botrk? Kalista totally knew that dude Kalista the runed king Kalista ruined* (Every other Champion in the League of Legends) WE KNOW!


Kalista actuly u can say no if u want Kalista u just have to walk outside the range Kalista its like five teemos Kalista here go ahead try Veigar runs Kalista one, two, FIVE LOL Veigar AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRGGGGGHH!!! Kayle What is going on here? Kayle Summoner Lyte tells me that Veigar and his Summoner have filed a report. Kalista he chose 2 impale himself Kalista in his back Kalista idk why Kalista so are u a girl?


In short*, I'd like it if we could go back to how Kalista was (apparently?) intended to work: once you throw yourself on that spear, you're her minion for the rest of the match, but the initial decision is up to you.

*: Possible short joke.

48 Comments

FiendOfOne26 votes

I keep waiting for people to soulbind me, as the jungler.

SERIOUSLY I FUCKING MAIN AMUMU. PLEASE THROW ME AT THE ENEMIES. xD

Thunder Dreamss11 votes

Seriously this. I was a Ramus jungle and our support was Soraka. Guess who Kalista soulbinds in under 30 seconds without a word? Ya...

Black Star 12992 votes

Forever alone amumu, nobody wants him to be their soulmate...

Ariel the Cruel5 votes

I can top that. Played support Xerath. Had a jungle Wukong. I get instantly soulbound. Then on multiple occasions, I got pulled AWAY FROM THE BACK LINE, so I could engage a team fight. (>_>) Kalistra Logic.

Kali is great. But please ban her from Yolo Queue. My head (and desk) can't take any more beatings.

LordKentravyon7 votes

I was a sion junger I had a kalista (friend in call) lux bot lane

the lux non stooped flaming kalista for binding the sion over her... like DO YOU WANT TO GET THROWN AT THEM AS A LONG RANGE SQUISHY MAGE?

Dreddeth4 votes

So circumstances necessitated the tossing of a dwarf?

Thresh Outta Fux13 votes

Choice. As much as I'd love to flat out trust my ADC, Ezreal exists as a champion, and people play him. Who may also try Kalista.

And will be bad.

Whitakker11 votes

This gave me a surprise the first time it happened to me, too. Was playing Janna; actually not a terrible choice for a Kalista ult, so long as you can get your ult off and gtfo in time with her. Zhonya's is basically a must in this situation. Didn't matter, cuz the enemy Kalista had a Leona support--basically the ideal partner for Kalista. Yeah...didn't go so well... But I digress...

I was just sitting at blue buff, waiting to leash, when all of a sudden I'm unable to move for 6 seconds or so, then before I knew what had happened, the Soul Link was active. Nowhere and at no time did I have the choice to accept/refuse. This is seriously no bueno. Rito fix plxkthanx

Alljoy8 votes

So far, I just fling myself in the opposite direction and use it as an escape if it's a bad engage.

CupcakeTrap6 votes

Yeah, that's pretty much what I'm going to start doing.

Alljoy11 votes

Take it a step further, friend and make a video montage captioned 'Nope', extra points if you can get an accurate voiceover of Veigar screaming.

UltimateCryBaby6 votes

if kalista is on my team i pray my base gives me a free banshee's veil shield so her spear will be blocked :)

B3ER5 votes

Fuck Kalista. I expected Riot to learn from their mistake with Yasuo. It seems I've overestimated their capabilities....

Hyrum Graff5 votes

From the reveal page:

#The Black Spear

Active: Kalista offers a pact to an allied champion, should they agree, the item is consumed and the pair are Soul-Bound for the remainder of the game. When accepted, the binding enables Soul-Marked, a passive on Sentinel, and allows Kalista to use Fate’s Call when she unlocks it.

That is to say, the current behavior is NOT how it used to be planned.

LupusNox3 votes

And then in reality:

Active: Kalista telepathically take control of your champ for 5 seconds, and during that time she forces your champ to impale itself on her spear, killing your champ and giving up its soul to Kalista, at which point she makes your soulless corpse her slave. Their is no stopping this and no police to call, as it is apparently fully intended for Kalista to enslave whoever she wants to

Hyrum Graff2 votes

Current tooltip:

Active: Offer to bind with an ally for the remainder of the game, becoming oathsworn allies. Oathsworn empowers you both while near one another

That is to say, it certainly seems as if the 'no choice' thing is a bug.

Salganos5 votes

I'm really surprised (and a bit annoyed) that no-one from Riot has addressed this discrepancy between the initial releases and the reality.

E.g.:

The Black Spear

Active: Kalista offers a pact to an allied champion, should they agree, the item is consumed and the pair are Soul-Bound for the remainder of the game. When accepted, the binding enables Soul-Marked, a passive on Sentinel, and allows Kalista to use Fate’s Call when she unlocks it.

Axerum4 votes

I loved Trundle. I enjoyed that short story. New lore much better imo

Ariel the Cruel1 votes

New lore? Yes. New visuals? Yes.

Old personality: Still miss. Old Visuals: Still miss.

Overall: Still better than getting Karma'ed.

CupcakeTrap7 votes

Overall: Still better than getting Karma'ed.

She bears the MANTLE OF DECORUM.

I might be the only one, but I continue to find that phrase utterly hysterical. It's such a bizarre collision of words.

CreationFlaw3 votes

Just want to point out that everything in this thread is completely valid, and I thank you so much for adding onto the conversations, I lul'd c;

Omnipherious3 votes

I vote choice.

I want to observe you in lane before I allow you to soulbind me. If your positioning is bad and you clearly have no idea how complicated support is, I am not going to trust you to R me. If you aren't a moron, you should have no problem with my request and I'll trust your decisions.

If there is no choice involved for soulbinding and you soulbind me, you have no right to 'question' my decision to ult away or leave you hanging. If I decide you are making a stupid ass decision, I'm not going to ult in just so you feel better from the illusion of teamwork.

Narasimha1 votes

The only problem is you'd actually hurt the Kalista if you want to wait. Remember, her W is reliant on someone hitting with her. While I totally agree with choice, you shouldn't be able to wait forever either.

CupcakeTrap3 votes

The only problem is you'd actually hurt the Kalista if you want to wait. Remember, her W is reliant on someone hitting with her. While I totally agree with choice, you shouldn't be able to wait forever either.

In theory, Kalista should be great for Veigar, because of the q-farming/W interaction, and the extra burst.

If her binding thing were voluntary, I might be very positively disposed toward Kalistas. As it is, my attitude has basically become "screw you, Kalista." I'll ban her in Ranked and always ult away from the enemy in normals.

Rock Rockburgh2 votes

Does Veigar actually get Q stacks when he kills a minion with Kalista's mark on it? I would have thought that since she gets credit for the kill, he would get absolutely nothing, the way Relic Shield works.

Cousman3 votes

I would just like to say that you can get another black spear for free at the store. I haven't yet tried this when i play Kalista but, in theory, couldn't you bond with a different person after the initial binding? This would work well late game when everybody pushes mid. Then you could bind to a tank or someone that deals massive damage and get some amazing skill shots.

Kalista Im tired of you Zilean Cant we just turn back the clock and start over? Kalista Listen, you are great and all but... This just isn't gonna work out item 3070 Zilean item 3070 I understand... Kalista Aatrox get your fat arse over here! Aatrox Lady I'm gonna AAAAAAGH' Kalista Hahahahahahahhahahahaha Aatrox Thresh come steal my soul back for me!!!! Thresh Hell no, that woman scares me!

CupcakeTrap7 votes

Kalista sigh zil always miss ult Kalista report pls Zilean Excuse me if my years studying the intricacies of chronomancy did not adequately prepare me to aim myself as a projectile weapon. Kalista noob Zilean What an utterly inappropriate insult. Kalista buys new spear Aatrox recalls to fountain Aatrox This Ryze is more of a problem than I—AAAAAAAAAAGHHHHHH Kalista lol Kalista ryze easy Kalista let me send u my mobafire guide Kalista pls like and upvote Aatrox THRESH. HELP. YOU CAN HAVE MY SOUL. I CHANGED MY MIND. Thresh Nope. Nope, nope, nope. Not coming anywhere near that psycho. LeeSin Yeah, about that. Can't you go bot? LeeSin I'm not really okay with this double jungle thing. Thresh And I do not care. Thresh Hey, look, our blue's up. Be a pal and leash it for me. LeeSin sigh

Meanwhile, on the other team.

Garen Senna fell in the pursuit of justice. There is no end more honorable for a warrior of Demacia. Garen And how noble that you should keep her memory alive by vanquishing these undead fiends, and thwarting their schemes to turn the League itself to their wicked ends. Lucian Yeah, actually, it's not really about that. Garen You do not seek vengeance for her death? Lucian I guess, but… Thresh Here, Lee, you can have this red. LeeSin Really? Thresh Yeah, man, you're way underleveled. LeeSin Thanks. I appreciate i—DAMMIT. Thresh Hahahaha. Gotta be quick, homes. Lucian …really, it's just that the Shadow Isles champs are such dicks.

Desmond Law2 votes

Passive: Soul's Oath: After 5 seconds, the closest ally within 500 units will be soul bound to Kalista. This bond will only break after Kalista or the soul bound ally dies, where the passive will try to find an available partner again. Kalista gains bonus movespeed when her soul bound uses an ability and vice versa. The teather does not being forming until Kalista begins moving on her base (when the game starts, re-spawn, and recall with no soul bound). The tether can be broken during the 5 second formation by walking out of the 500 unit radius.

Q: Pierce: Passive: Kalista generates one spear ammo every 15 seconds, holding up to 3 spears. Active: Kalista hurls a spear, lodging itself into the first unit struck. Killing a unit allows the spear to pass through to hit another unit.

W: Sentinel: Kalista sends out a ghost for every champion impaled with a spear. If the ghost hunts down a champion, the champion will be slowed 10% for 1 second. More spears, more 10% slow each. Ghosts have 2 hit points, have vision in front of them, and move speed equal to Kalista's total movespeed.

E: Rend: Passive: Kalista's auto attacks impale units struck. Max three impalements on one unit. Impalements last 3 seconds. Active: Kalista rips spears out of all units, returning them to her, dealing damage to all units hit on the way back. If Rend kills a unit, its cooldown is refreshed.

R: Oathsworn: Kalista summons a ghost of her soul bound partner at target location, granting vision, not dealing damage, but slows nearby units for 1 second. Her soul bound ally can click on the ghost (if in a 1000 unit range) to be summoned to that location, knocking up units in that area and deal magic damage.

CupcakeTrap1 votes

Passive: Soul's Oath: After 5 seconds, the closest ally within 500 units will be soul bound to Kalista. This bond will only break after Kalista or the soul bound ally dies, where the passive will try to find an available partner again. Kalista gains bonus movespeed when her soul bound uses an ability and vice versa. The teather does not being forming until Kalista begins moving on her base (when the game starts, re-spawn, and recall with no soul bound). The tether can be broken during the 5 second formation by walking out of the 500 unit radius.

Does that mean that there really is a way to refuse it? I'll have to try that. That's more of an "opt-out" than an "opt-in", but it's something. Can anyone confirm?

Desmond Law2 votes

This is something I made to make kalista not seem as op/annoying sorry to tease you, bro

CupcakeTrap16 votes

This is something I made to make kalista not seem as op/annoying sorry to tease you, bro

Kalista actuly u can say no if u want Kalista u just have to walk outside the range Kalista its like five teemos Kalista here go ahead try Veigar runs Kalista one, two, FIVE LOL Veigar AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRGGGGGHH!!! Kayle What is going on here? Kayle Summoner Lyte tells me that Veigar and his Summoner have filed a report. Kalista he chose 2 impale himself Kalista in his back Kalista idk why

Hyrum Graff3 votes

Gib me moar CCT plz!

Vespertinity7 votes

Kalista he had it comin Kalista he had it comin Kalista he only had himself 2 blame

CupcakeTrap4 votes

Kalista he had it comin Kalista he had it comin Kalista he only had himself 2 blame

Kalista he ran into my spear

Vespertinity9 votes

Kalista he had it comin Kalista he had it comin Kalista he only had himself 2 blame

Kalista he ran into my spear

Kalista i guess we bonded thru artistic diffrences Kalista he saw himself as alive Kalista and i saw him ded VarusAzirGraves THE DIRTY BUM, BUM, BUM, BUM, BUM DianaNautilusRenekton THE DIRTY BUM, BUM, BUM, BUM, BUM Veigar I hate all of you.

GeekyPickles2 votes

Haha, the conversations were really funny. They were great ways to express your complaints without being too aggressive. :P

Diahane2 votes

Scumbag Kalista new meme.

LiI Yachty2 votes

lol that was funny you made my day (:

MonkeyDLuufy1 votes

I'd like to mention i feel the importance of a timer or some sort of more apparent warning before you actually have the choice of flinging yourself into the team (or out..) with her ult. I mean it may have just been my first time playing with one as support as to why i got confused but she would ult me and i was more confused with the controls and what was going on and in turn, it did not exactly turn out for the best. Long story short, in random 's you never know when you're gonna ult and that does not seem to help the whole "Strategic Diversity" thing they are aiming for....seems to potentially work towards a lesser cause?

The Soulforged1 votes

I see what you did there with the misspells on her part...

Dandymann1 votes

Isn't it the players choice to grab the spear after she chucks it to the ground. Couldn't I just troll toplane grab the thing?

jzek1 votes

Isn't it the players choice to grab the spear after she chucks it to the ground. Couldn't I just troll toplane grab the thing?

I'm not sure (I don't own Kalista) but from what I've seen only the champion intended for the spear can pick it up and they don't have to. In addition, when she ults and I don't want to go in, I just use her ult in the opposite direction.

Theorchero1 votes

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Matsokune1 votes

From my experience with Kalista, you bind with someone using the Black Spear item. ( item 3599 This thing.) I've only bonded once (it was in a game with a friend that'd bought her, I was Anivia mid to prove that you could rebond because I THOUGHT somewhere I saw you could), and it was entirely a voluntary choice. They clicked on me with the item, a thing fell out on the ground, and when I clicked it I did what Anivia does best. I do not recall the choice ever not being voluntary.

Cynicatt1 votes

I'm pretty sure you have to click the spear to become bound. That's what happened the first time I bound myself to kallista.... and the second time she tried to bind to me the jungler clicked it and stole it without knowing what it even was and never ganked bot.

Anyway, convos were amusing. +1

98Spartans1 votes

I was recently playing an Aram match. I got Zed, and someone else got Kalista. Game starts and she binds me, since I'm the only melee champ we have. Game goes on and we're losing, but game-winning teamfight rolls along, and I go in to assassinate their biggest carry (Morgana). Kalista, who never initiates with her ult, but has only used it when she's about to die and wants me to save her, pulls me in right before I can finish my assassination, and I end up dying because of it (she died right after ult, and their Jax turned to me). So, at the very end of the fight who's left? Morgana and Annie. They race to kill our nexus, but our Ezreal respawns and kills Annie. Morgana then finished the game as Ezreal tried to kill her. TL;DR Kalista ulted me and we lost the game because of it.

ƒoes1 votes

I personally believe the decision on becoming soulbound with Kalista would be a nice change, but it would be abused by everybody on the team saying no. Said Kalista gets mad, feeds first blood, leaves. 'nuff said.

IcyPepper1 votes

And that inspires us to bond with her.

Ok.

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