If you don't even think of dragon, you should not jungle. EVER!

JavelinJoe··4 votes·962 views

If you are that Jungler who does not even consider taking or setting up the dragon and lets the team who is behind get all of them for free, GTFO of the jungle role. You obviously have no idea what you are doing. I've been in too many games where the Jungler just does not seem to know that dragon even exists.

Having multiple Dragons = One of the best comeback opportunity a team can have.

SO if you are that guy who ganks bot lane, and just backs or moves on to clear a camp, while dragon is still up and free to take, go play some other role. You have no idea about priorities.

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Tori In Circles 1 votes

I mean if it's norms they were probably practicing. I'd tell them (in a nice but stern way) that dragon needs to be contested or are least warded for a steal. I'm a mid support/main and honestly I'd never jg because it seems like the hardest role (imo) in league. You're right that's it's not for everyone, but don't forget to give them the benefit of the doubt.

JavelinJoe1 votes

If it happens in normals, then I agree it is fine since they could be learning, but not in ranked.

Tori In Circles 1 votes

Oh, lol nah in ranked whether I'm mid or support that drag always stays warded. Unfortunately all we can do with a failing jg in ranked is kinda tell them what to do. i.e. "After red, back and gank bot pls so we can drag" or "hey do you mind grabbing scuttle crab/fruit health thing? so we can drag" From my understanding smiting gives them health back right? As long as you can convince them that they will get drag they'll listen to you.

**Jg does not always have to tank drag btw it's always a team effort. I'd (a support in this case) rather execute to drag than my jg. Adc and jg should be able to finish the job, j/s **

Espy Psyche1 votes

I'm not going to take dragon after ganking bot lane when the enemy laners and/or tower took me down to 100 HP. If I get executed at dragon, it announces it to the enemy team that we're doing dragon AND THAT WE HAVE NO SMITE. So the enemy jungler will just go in and steal it. ESPECIALLY if the enemy team has a Lux, because then not only can the enemy jungler steal the dragon, but so can the enemy support or mid laner.

DrCyanide1 votes

If you would at least drop a ward at Dragon as you leave then you're not the kind of Jungler that the OP is talking about.

Aquafuge1 votes

I'm a bard support main ( i know it doesn't mean much being under level 30) but i just picked up Xin and I wouldn't mind more jungler tips. First couple of times out I rather enjoyed playing jungle but i know i need to learn a lot.

EndlessSorcerer1 votes

I would suggest watching videos by high-ELO and/or professional junglers (i.e. Valkrin, Meteos, Stonewall008, Nightblue3, and FoxdropLOL). They will typically provide a lot of useful tips while playing and you can often see or hear their decision process and some optimizations throughout the game.

Off the top of my head, some basic optimizations may be:

  • Use hard-CC when the monster camps are about to attack you to cancel that attack and delay their next.
  • Attack Speed is extremely efficient at clearing on most junglers. I'd recommend using about 15% on champions when you need to speed up their clear even if they don't use the stat much later (with a few exceptions, such as Nidalee and Evelynn).
  • Keep a control ward out (or in your inventory) whenever possible. This is important for every champion, but I thought I should emphasis it. There isn't really a good reason not to.

As far as ganking is concerned:

  • When possible, conserve your gap-closer while ganking. If you can get to the enemy champion without using your mobility spell(s), then you can save it to catch them after they try to escape (Flash, dash, blink, etc).
  • You should should try to stay between the enemy and their escape route. You should be trying to move backwards (towards their escape) in-between attacks so that you can body-block them and slow their escape. This also leaves you closer to them if they try to dash or blink past you.
  • It can be risky to gank top-lane while Dragon is up since the enemy team can just group and take it 4v3. I'd recommend ganking top-lane early if possible (after your initial clear) and when Dragon is down; that lane can be quite snowbally due to isolation, so you want to get your ally ahead.
  • Learn to recognize the general times when buff camps spawn during games. If you see the enemy gank bottom lane while their top-side buff is up, you can go steal it from them.
  • Watch when top and bottom lane initially go into lane. If that lane has leashed for their jungler (missing health, mana, or showed up to lane a bit late), then you know where the enemy jungler has likely started and where they will end their clear (where is closest for them to gank).
  • If you have killed the enemy laner, you can either allow your laner to freeze or shove the lane into the enemy tower. If you shove the wave under tower and the next minion wave is coming up, it can be helpful to proxy it to ensure that the wave fully resets and the enemy laner misses as much as possible. This is very situational though and you will have to learn when through experience.

Other tips:

  • Whenever possible, walk up to the enemy champion during a gank and save your gap-closer for after they use their escape abilities.
  • Watch the enemy laners when they go into lane. Whichever lane shows up later and/or missing mana will likely indicate which side of the jungle the enemy jungler started on (which is useful for predicting gank paths and for counter-jungling).
  • Watch the minimap to see when and where the enemy goes to ward, which laners are pushing, which laners are vulnerable
  • Know, roughly, how most laning matchups go so that you can prioritize which lanes are the easiest to gank or require an early gank to decide the matchup.
  • If you have blown an enemy's Flash during a gank but haven't killed them, swing back around immediately after an gank them again. Many people don't expect it
  • If you've killed an enemy during a previous gank in top lane, kill them again immediately after they return to lane. They likely won't have wards up yet and a second back-to-back death can be enough to completely crush any chance that opponent has to recover the lane.
  • Top laners rarely bother warding the lane bushes. As such, lane ganks can be quite surprising and effective.
  • When you kill an enemy laner, shove the minion wave into the tower so they miss gold and experience and so that the minion wave will reset to the middle of the lane. If you can get away with it, clear the upcoming minion wave as well to ensure the reset and maximum missed minions.

You will learn a lot through experience, but these tips should help you at the start.

Aquafuge1 votes

Thanks for the advice, it's a lot more then i thought it would be but its a new aspect to the game for me and any advice is welcomed

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