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GET YOUR SHIT TOGETHER ON BALANCE - S TIER CHAMPS ARE FAR TOO OPPRESSIVE

koochario·5/22/2018, 6:41:17 PM·85 votes·18,987 views
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Unless you're below Plat, the S tiers are just so massively outclassing everything else right now that the game is in a just absolutely atrocious state. some of the WORST balance I've seen in a long time. The JG is especially garbage atm. The meta is heavily suffocated by the S tier and the constrained conditions to win make it even worse. The RNG aspect of the Scuttler spawn also doesn't let you path and plan properly... further ruining the game.

JG S Tier BS (FIX THIS SHIT ASAP, JG FEELS AWFUL ON ANYTHING NOT S TIER):

Graves: totally busted in the right hands + high pick rate so you are forced to ban it every game... cannot even farm JG as a non-meta pick + he outscales you and is slippery

Xin: absurd early game, decent mid game... some fall off but 55%+ winrate in Diamond+ shows that the late game hardly matters

Shaco: be quiet Shaco mains, your champions is straight busted and has been all season.... just stop pretending he's not. he has among the highest late game winrates in the entire game and can do EVERYTHING while being highly adaptable. he can counterjg like a pro, split push, massively disrupt teamfights, assassinate, duel decently (not great but he can just Q out any time he's in trouble anyway)... even seen Shacos go Bloodrazor-Sunfire and do great. sure there are more mains than average and he has a decent skill cap but that doesn't change he's busted. just because you need 50 games on him to use him properly doesn't make the champion OK. we nerf WW but not this BS? WW is at least predictable in both pathing (can't even clear raptors well) and kit. Shaco is not at all. He has tremendous versatility and endless options in any game. A good Shaco is no less busted than Graves but he is harder to play

ALMOST BS:

Udyr: scuttler meta really favors him, the RNG scuttler spawn is good for him too with his mobility... amazing duelist... good counterjg... not super busted but definitely very oppressive to non-Tier 1/S tier

Top S Tier BS (instead Poppy nerfs, fix this shit.. thought it was April Fools when I saw Poppy get gutted in the trash state she was in already):

Camille: busted af in the right hands... god mode scaling, god mode mobility, god mode R

Irelia: see Camille but add lower CD dashes and some other BS "fun" mechanics

I don't play top much but these 2 are must-ban. If you get to face one played by a competent player, it's just curtains for your team if they get to late game or have the slightest lead. Absurd. Trash balance on both. Idc about their stupid 50% winrate. Meaningless.

Almost BS:

Mundo: pretty ridiculous mid game but he is predictable/no gap closers/no crazy teamfight Malphite R etc., the counters are obvious (griebous, liandry's, void, bork etc.) so while he can get ridiculous, I am OK with him after the nerfs. he is a pick whose strength scales proportionately to how good your ADC is.

Singed: sucks vs some picks like Vladimir, Kayle, Darius etc. but counters a decent amount of meta top laners early-mid game... not really too OP but he's quite annoying at all stages... like Mundo, I'm more or less fine with him due to his predictability and the counterplay options... preys on bad positioning though and really hard to deal with if he's ahead

Mid S Tier BS:

Zoe: dumb as hell design... Riot must be trolling when they thought of her... ranged 1-shot potential.... just fishes for a one-shot with minimal risk all game, decent mobility and outplay potential too, feast/famine... feels unfair to play against if she gets any lead.....absolute dogshit unabalanceable design: feast/famine but good ones are absurd

Yasuo: not as hard to play as people think, oppresses a vast array of the roster if played by a competent player.... luckily, only 1/4 Yasuos are competent even in higher ELO but still pretty dumb right now with Conqueror

Sol: shut-up Sol mains, your champ is stupid busted in SQ and you know it... perma push with no consequence, gank every lane while your laner's under turret, take scuttlers etc. haven't lost with a Sol on my team in probably over a dozen games... yes he needs skill, no he is not balanced exactly but less BS than the others

LB: broken with some skill

ALMOST BS:

Vladimir: somewhat predictable, kiteable and can be countered but pretty ridiculous nonetheless... still feels better designed than trash like Zoe even if he's probably a bit stronger than her... at least feels reasonable to face not like "oh hey I fished for a 1 shot for 5 minutes from a screen away and now you're dead" heheXD.... 50% winrate doesn't mean balanced or good design. Idk who Riot thinks they're fooling with trying to bring champs to 50% winrate like it means something. You can have high winrates for low skill floor champs that have decent utility so aren't totally useless and they are ok. You can have somewhat low winrate champs, like Ryze, still be really busted just because as soon as you have experience, he is ridic. RIGHT NOW though, Ryze is not S tier imo. He is solid B tier at best. Nerf after nerf makes him manageable at this point.

mid feels more fine than the rest, not really sure... lots of strong picks like Talon or Fizz exist too but they feel like they have way more counterplay than the BS Tops or JGs

SUPPORT Tier BS:

Morgana: yes really, in high ELO with E max, total BS

ALMOST BS:

Support is more OK than the other roles now. I don't feel like there are as many super oppressive BS "my champion autowins if I learn it" picks like there are for top or JG.

ADC S Tier BS:

After Kai'Sa nerfs, she feels fine. Overall, hold on to your seats Top mains, I feel like ADCs are NOT super OP. They're a bit OP yes but not crazy. Draven and Xayah feel the most busted though. Supports are what make ADCs OP most times. Give a Draven or Vayne Janna/Lulu/Morg/Nami with ardent etc. and they just take a dump on the game if your team has a trash scaling support like Leo or Blitz

However, unlike JG, it doesn't feel like "oh I'm X non-meta pick and he's Graves, Shaco, Xin, Udyr, etc." so I just can't do shit or even enter my jg. The JG balance is total BS. The difference is VAST between S tier and the rest. It's actually disgusting. For ADC, it exists but feels like a manageable difference based on skill level.

96 Comments

Yuvn Ti5/22/2018, 7:53:57 PM36 votes

I'm a khazix main and I'm even surprised you didn't say hes bs

Lost R5/22/2018, 6:56:18 PM31 votes

And who determines this tier stuff?

Schenix5/22/2018, 8:53:20 PM15 votes

Mundo and Singed are above Irelia and Camille, it just so happens that those two (Camille and Irelia) are able to carry more directly and feel like they have more impact. This may or may not be true, however Mundo and Singed are rather ridiculous and in the right hands of macro, carry harder right now. Getting stomped by the other two is generally misplaying into them during laning, where you get punished harder.

Shaco is an irritating champion, not particularly busted past his early ganks considering he needs to actually make plans for what he wants to do from the 5 minute mark in terms of build path, and before every teamfight or push. It's just that his kit is all core power, not one or two abilities, so he can utilize everything for maximum impact in good hands -- and an early game jungle meta favors him when it's out in the river.

Udyr can sit in that semi imaginary tier as well: he has heavy punishment, high dueling, innate tankiness, exceptional base stats, and extremely fast clears. If he wants to give up one scuttle to you for clearing your entire topside and a scuttle, he can do so very quickly both in terms of killing them and moving around the camps and map.

Mid just seems more personal bias. LeBlanc and Yasuo are toxic type champions, but not at all whatever version of S-tier you're toting. ASol is the only real offender of mid right now, exacerbated with the Phase Rush buff. Vladimirs current design with a competent team will almost always be powerful, and just possibly Zed/Talon for being strong enough to crowd out half of the immobile picks -- but that's normal. That's it.

Support is Morgana when Janna still exists, that's a nice meme. Morgana is just when you don't want Janna, Lulu or Nami, sure. Does that make her broken? Whatever the meta and team composition favors. Not the role or the champions strictly speaking, it's the state of the games influence for them.

ADC state is just don't pick Lucian or Kalista and you can be useful. Lucian has the highest amount of mains and are still struggling patch after patch, not to mention offer nothing to the team of virtue of the champion other than decent early damage through skill because being outranged by a Maokai W effectively removes your status as an adc if you can't force a snowball. And Kalista being dumpstered as she should be until a rework.

Overall, jungle and top are having problems and this influences the meta for the whole game and other lanes, naturally. So your premise I agree with, just not most of your actual post.

Ayzev5/22/2018, 9:01:59 PM6 votes

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SUPPORT Tier BS:

Morgana: in high ELO_ with E max_

Wait, what?

LibroMastro5/22/2018, 9:51:08 PM6 votes

Kaisa feels fine? she does absurd damage and can do half of the map shielded with a button, how the f*ck is that balanced? oh i forgot that she goes invisible aswell..cause WHY NOT...

Stinrygar5/22/2018, 7:52:29 PM5 votes

too many champs listed

bound to annoy people wanting to hold onto their freelo (some even delude themselves into thinking it's all just their skill and not the fact that they're picking oppressive god tier champs)

Stupafly5/22/2018, 11:38:23 PM5 votes

I laughed when you said Zoe has decent mobility. Its like pseudo mobility.

BestPudgeNA5/22/2018, 7:03:39 PM3 votes

Please Xin is a shitty champ that's only even played because everything else in the Jungle sucks. He has a kit that would make him fine for as a Top laner, but 0 people play him top lane because he sucks so bad. Udyr Is so fucking awful it's hard to believe you would even mention this champ.

Unlike champs like Irelia Vladimir ect that are so busted they get played in roles they don't have kits for. Hell even Sup has Rakan getting played in the challenger as a mid laner.

Leritaquese5/23/2018, 6:07:58 PM1 votes

Once we get the new items (Essence Reaver :( ... ) and the new mastery (hail of blades) champions that rely on attack speed will show up and be able to duel people like xin, and Graves. MasterYi will be the main one in the jg running around with infinite q's ... :( Even if he runs Conq, Essence Reaver is going to make him too strong. I don't think rammus will be enough to stop him from diving the backline, and getting 2 second q cdrs. Not fun man.. Not fun. item 1419 item 3124 item 3508 item 3153 [sg-zephyr]