I'm Sure Kha Won't Be Broken At All in 8.19

koochario·9/25/2018, 6:28:47 PM·102 votes·20,647 views
Kha'Zix

Passive - Unseen Threat BONUS ATTACK DAMAGE RATIO 0.2 ⇒ 0.4 W - Void Spike EVOLVED NON-ISOLATED SLOW 40% ⇒ 60% EVOLVED ISOLATED SLOW 80% ⇒ 90%

...after all, there were already several Kha mains in high ELO even with no buffs. This doesn't feel like forcing a meta at all. It feels like deserved balance changes. It DEFINITELY isn't related to the upcoming Championship Kha'Zix skin either.

Oh wait... most of the changes in the last few patches are NOT about correct objective balance. They are about forcing certain comps/picks/strategies to be dominant because Riot thinks they're more entertaining than actually having a properly balanced and diverse game.

Is competitive integrity and FAIR balance really not on Riot's priority list anymore? There are so many champions more deserving of buffs than Kha even if they're not as "flashy" or popular. Those aren't even small buffs.

If Riot's going to switch to milking people with unwarranted buffs for skins or just because they want to showcase what they think are the "most fun" champions at a big tournament, they're going to lose respect/credibility/trust almost instantly and the game's player base along with it. Favoritism or skins should not play a role in balance and Riot should have a contract with the community where they abide by this. If League is to be a game with longevity, it needs to have an unbiased custodian.

72 Comments

Alex h87219/25/2018, 6:38:38 PM31 votes

The funniest part (calling it now) is that Khazix will still be a damn troll pick at worlds, unless the team that picked him is just way better than their opponents, because in a competitive setting with all players on coms its far tougher for assassins to pick off priority targets and the players at this level generally have good enough reactions to turn on, CC and focus the assassin.

Which is why in pro play champs with CC and utility are generally prioritized over champs with assassination potential in the jungle.

saltran9/25/2018, 6:41:36 PM15 votes

Last year everyone bitched for months on BOTH the Boards and Reddit about how boring the Worlds meta was due to how strong enchanters were so now they buff agressive champs to make sure that this Worlds are not "boring".

Selec9/25/2018, 8:00:04 PM12 votes

Riot said some patches ago they wanted to bring some power from the passive to his Q.

Now they buff back the passive.

...

Brutalitops019/25/2018, 6:40:25 PM8 votes

There are mains of every champion in high ELO. Having Kha'Zix mains there doesn't mean anything. There are Mordekaiser 1-tricks in Challenger. They're rare, but they're there. A challenger 1-trick existing doesn't mean anything about champion balance. What a 1-trick can do vs. what a casual player or non-player can do is meaningless in terms of balance.

Kivolan9/26/2018, 12:29:27 AM8 votes

1k damage on an unisolated Q isn't big enough.

Because this game needs more damage.

KhaZix Bot9/25/2018, 11:17:58 PM5 votes

Alright, a few things.

1.) No Kha'Zix main who watched Season 5 Worlds wanted that W buff. Walking out of the jungle to nail someone with a skillshot and let the laner lay down damage for the kill is so far from the spirit of the champion that it's borderline insulting.

2.) Kha'Zix is okay right now. He's not trash. He's not top tier. If anything, he's a little weak in most ranks. Something to remember is that he usually relies on isolation to take you down and his Q with iso isn't just "higher than average assassin damage". Isolation should really be looked at as an equalizer when compared to other assassins, because non evo Q is a joke.

3.) His diamond+ winrate at this moment doesn't matter. 52%? That's scary? He was 49% last week. That's why you don't put all your faith in winrates when looking at 0.8% of the playerbase. Shifts happen and can be drastic. Riot knows this and that's why the main rank that champions are balanced around is Plat+ and not Diamond+. Also keep in mind that the gap between the top tier junglers and the "good" junglers is at one of its greatest extremes in a while. Graves and the like are banned every game, so passable junglers are going to see play. That's why he has an 8% playrate or whatever. Teemo has like a 10% with a winrate that dances between 48% and 52%. Yet no one seems to care. Is that because he doesn't one shot you?

4.) Calling Kha'Zix flashy is a joke. There's nothing flashy about deleting someone from stealth. He's not Yasuo, Lee Sin, or Zed. He doesn't make "big plays". Most Kha'Zix montages consist of a fed as hell Kha'Zix one shotting people and running them down while outnumbered. Do you know why there are no badass turnarounds while behind in the montages? Because it doesn't happen. Yasuo can dance around and outplay for 6 years. Vayne can do the same. They can make flashy plays and turnarounds. If he's behind, Kha'Zix just dies. Don't judge what's impressive and flashy based on what a dude with 25 kills at 20 minutes is doing. Think about this; the "inSec" of Kha'Zix is the double jump, a move that does nothing but sacrifice range to look cool. Imagine is Yasuo and Lee's "big play" moves were detramental.

5.) Yeah, he's gonna be too strong because of that questionable W buff. He isn't going to be flashy though, he's just going to be lame. W will phase out R for the vast majority of players and, in many cases, will be your first evo. If you don't believe me then take a look firsthand. W first evo works on live. Try it out and then you might understand what this W buff will do.

6.) Passive buff is fine. Again, how with Graves, Gragas, Evelynn, Kayn, Kindred, and Lee running around in their current state anyone has the time to stop and say "Kha'Zix?!?!?!?" is beyond me. Kayn and Evelynn do the same job as Kha'Zix while having some pretty clear advantages. Difference? Sometimes they actually get banned. When is the last time you actually saw a Kha'Zix ban? I see one once out of every 30-40 games, and it's almost always someone I just played against or had in my last lobby pre-dodge.

7.) He's not easy to win with. Keep your eyes on that word, "win". Yeah, he's easy to get fed with, just like any assassin. Unlike other assassins, his counterplay is pulled off so easy that you can do it by accident. He's destroyed by anyone getting remotely tanky and stacking on top of each other. He's demolished by stall comps that keep the game going until everyone is full build (unless he runs Harvest, and even then, stall comps can ruin his day).

As someone who plays the champion exclusively, my personal dream is a Season 3/4 revert. That's not happening, so I'd settle for that passive buff, the non isolated W slow getting a small buff, and a slight R rework to make it a standard and competitive evolution when matched with a buffed W.

60% and 90% slows? Totally ridiculous. Whoever wrote those number up needs to sit through every Kha'Zix game in Season 5 Worlds, because I seriously doubt they have any experience with seeing those numbers on live.

LilxPaprika9/25/2018, 7:01:09 PM4 votes

imo if he jumps from stealth to strike someone it should deal less damage. or maybe if someone has their vision sweeper on while he strikes out of stealth it could deal less damage. so you can at least get some value out of using sweeper in anticipation.

Wilyum9/25/2018, 7:22:05 PM3 votes

Riot has always only cared about trying to make money, so trying to make worlds more exciting to bring in viewers, sell more skins by buffing those champions, introducing blue essence, and everything else they do. Its a company making money, controlling what gets played is just one way they can make money.

DarkKatalyst9/26/2018, 6:39:03 PM2 votes

Maybe League shouldn't be treated as a competitive game anymore. If Riot is constantly manipulating the game for a specific outcome, why should anyone care about who's the best, or who has the highest rank, or wins, or whatever?

Harden Stepback9/26/2018, 2:01:45 AM2 votes

Balance team is still trash and riot does not give a crap about its player base. Have fun with you dying game riot.

invisiblecat19/26/2018, 1:35:51 AM2 votes

https://youtu.be/EDGloa4P9DE

First game on the PBE today

lol

Alzon9/25/2018, 8:13:24 PM2 votes

Time to do more W max Kha Top 🦗👌😜

EkkoTheBoyWST9/28/2018, 11:29:00 PM1 votes

What? He just 1 shot my lucian and did 1600 damage to him, he wasnt isolated but ykno..Khazix amirite. dab on them haters riot

Whistersnivet9/26/2018, 3:15:13 AM1 votes

Here's the thing: Kha'zix has been both skill intensive and non-skill intensive. Low elo players have no idea how to play against him, so he destroys low elo. High elo players that play Kha'zix are fucking gods at him. This buff is almost like they just looked at op.gg and saw him at 48% win rate and said "hey let's buff him." This is because of the championship Kha'zix skin coming out soon and worlds, especially since lethality assassins are destroying every elo. I'm happy though because I main Kha'zix, but simultaneously sad because this will increase his pick and ban rate. Personally, these are not changes he needed.

TyrinGlitch9/26/2018, 3:35:51 AM1 votes

it would also help if the balance team still played the game in its current state to see how things have gotten as of late with meta shifts, or need I remind everyone of those good ol Zoe one shots from full hp

Neptunia xoxo9/26/2018, 3:57:06 AM1 votes

Can someone just buy out Riot and fire this balance / design team and hire a new one? I promise to give good cookies if someone does.

Emerald Fang9/26/2018, 4:31:24 AM1 votes

The only reason they're buffing him is because the skin is coming out, it's such an obvious skin-based buff since there's no reason to buff him at all.

PowerSlave9939/26/2018, 12:12:58 PM1 votes

Do you know why he got buffed? Because new skin arrived! With the new skin, broken Kha, people will get hyped and buy it and say they main Kha right now. And because of worlds of course.

When they get enough skins and money they will proceed for nerfs (maybe) or he will stay graves thing.

RagnarsRock9/26/2018, 3:22:35 PM1 votes

STOP RAISING DAMAGE FFS These games are already stupid enough.

koochario9/26/2018, 3:30:15 PM1 votes

I may have overreacted to the Kha buffs! It remains to be seen but he's not too crazy yet based on the limited sample size so far. However, his play rate shot up a lot so that's always going to depress win rates. On paper, they still seem incredibly scary though and I think having such high damage already may incentivize tankier builds like Warrior-BC-Sterak's-Maw-GA since you're often overkilling targets.

I don't really have a problem with Kha being buffed if it's just a small nudge towards viability at the highest levels (although he saw some play even before). I thought that he was being overbuffed specifically to make him a nearly guaranteed pick at Worlds. Ideally, I think every champion should be viable at every level but I don't want the balance team to force a certain meta. It should develop organically and not because something is suddenly broken tier etc. That's all.

Anin7779/26/2018, 4:01:40 PM1 votes

Anecdote but I played 4 "high elo" games with him since the patch. 100% winrate with at least 9 kills per game. Seems stronger than usual.

HÔPÊ9/26/2018, 4:53:33 PM1 votes

Kha zix will be broken again and will oneshot people even easier than before. Like, he needed to actually aa you 2 times before, now he won't need that xd

Oznap9/26/2018, 6:47:18 PM1 votes

There isn't much room for counter play when the opponent has the lead at a high level of play because the capability of a comeback relies greatly on opponent mistakes. This isn't anything new the game's competitive scene has generally been like this for a long time and the idea that games are won based on the first 10-20 mins at a competitive level is why there is this turtling spectacle.

My guess is Riot is depending on junglers to pull off those early game brawls to bring in people to actually watch their tournament. They want more variety in terms of these types of assassin junglers (Graves) and that is why they are buffing Kha zix.

They cant opt for more item complexity nor game changing abilities to lessen the turtling mentality of pro play or else they are treading in Dota 2's territory.

mrmeddyman9/27/2018, 12:24:49 AM1 votes

I'm actually fairly new to the game (Made my account when Zoe came out) so when people complain about season 8 sucks I dont relate because I have nothing to compare it to, when the PAX gender palooza was going on I didn't care because fuck politics. My question is how the hell do you guys let Riot get away with rebalancing the games for a sporting event that most players don't watch??? I get balancing for high ELO in general I guess because that's the "TRUE balance" as player skill cannot be measured on a case by case basis so when basic champions like Yi, WW, Garen shit all over bronze and silver players and champs like Azir and Ryze blow because players can't utilize them I understand that trade off. BUt then you take any of those 3 champs into Challenger and you get smooshed unless you're a one trick. That's just the way it's got to be I don't have a better solution.

But to allow Riot to transparently buff champion taht are in a good spot just because they are more exciting to watch is just mind boggling to me. How is that serving your playerbase? Why can't the pros have their own patch and just play that in the competition and let people who care about Worlds or Esports keep up with that. Why do they have to disrupt the whole game. It just stinks of upper management level meddling. You just know that the balance team kinda has a handle of what they're doing (kinda lol) and then some guy ina suit barges in and tells them that Kha'zix is trending on the data give him more DAMAGE.

I'm not even mad at Riot ultimately this whole esports thing is the best advertising they can do for their game. Especially with the push back from "real sports" fans that make news about Worlds being on ESPN blow up because it triggers them lol. I'm kinda just disappointment that my progenitors in this community aren't harder on Riot about something that actually matters instead of not being able to walk into a conference room that you probably weren't going to anyways. Riot is pretty transparent about this btw they don't try to obfuscate that they meddle with balance to make for more fun Esports. Which still doesn't help because I've seen a couple games and the players play extremely safe like 0 kills until 10 minutes safe ResidentSleeper in chat every early game.

Give esports athletes their own patch stop messing with my low MMR norms Riot