There is such a thing of having TOO MUCH to play around

Hibeki··14 votes·1,627 views

People commonly address points in champs as "You can play around it, just do this." While that may hold true, there are such things as having too much to play around.

For example: Ekko. Ekko has way too much to play around. You have to play around the stacks, the huge slow and movement speed boost that happen at the same time, the delay on the W, AND the ult.

Sure you can address the factors of each, "Be prepared for when he ults, prepare for when he W's" but this is too much all together.

Or take Leblanc, Leblanc can be in five places are once. 2 dashes that you can blink back to the original spot (4) and her clone. Not to mention you have to play around whatever ult she chooses. It's too much.

Or Yasuo, Play around the third Q, the mass amounts of minions flowing every 30 seconds, and the windwall. Too much to play around.

Kits need to be more streamlined, as of right now champions have way too much to play around, to the point where everyone can throw out their entire kit and "Outplay" because their opponent wasn't korean and couldn't keep track of everything at once.

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Jhin UItd JFK9 votes

That's really just a side effect from overloaded kits.

I feel like Ekko should just get a lot of stuff trimmed off of his kit. He's like a goddamn Swiss Army Knife, something for every situation.

GoronMuncherV8 votes

What's wrong with massive single target damage, >Hecarim levels of speed and a massive slow on one passive? Clearly equivalent to the smaller speed buff activated after standing still for a few seconds that Fiddlesticks gets ;)

Troll for Trump3 votes

Yeah, kits in League are overloaded, but. more importantly, the game is at a really fastpace.

Think Dota vs League. Dota, you don't get things like Darius's Q on a super low CD. There's no CDR. No spam. LoL, everything is really fast-paced.

Hibeki1 votes

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Yeah, kits in League are overloaded, but. more importantly, the game is at a really fastpace.

Think Dota vs League. Dota, you don't get things like Darius's Q on a super low CD. There's no CDR. No spam. LoL, everything is really fast-paced.

You obviously haven't played dota.

Dota there is so much shit to reset cooldowns. There's an item that RESETS YOUR WHOLE KIT. INCLUDING YOUR ULT.

Troll for Trump1 votes

There's even a hero that does it(he isn't played much). But, Overall it's a slower game. And the item that resets all cooldowns isn't a core item, and you get it very very deep into lategame.

You can't rush it as easily as you can in League.

Marshbouy2 votes

Morgana You have to play around her Q, her shield to make sure you can actually deal damage/cc someone, her ult to make sure you don't get stunned, and her W to watch out for free harrass and a thunderlords. does that mean morgana is OP?

Hibeki2 votes

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Morgana You have to play around her Q, her shield to make sure you can actually deal damage/cc someone, her ult to make sure you don't get stunned, and her W to watch out for free harrass and a thunderlords. does that mean morgana is OP?

I mean I wouldn't say you play around her Q. Your natural inclination and basics of the game is to avoid a skillshot.

I took the liberation of taking out the basics of "avoiding damage". I only kept the things you actually have to keep track of.

So with morgana, you basically just play around the ult after it comes out, and the black shield. That seems fine.

Marshbouy2 votes

yasuo's third Q is just a skillshot. It's a skillshot that has massive particle effects to tell you when it is up.

i didn't understand the second part.

Hibeki2 votes

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yasuo's third Q is just a skillshot. It's a skillshot that has massive particle effects to tell you when it is up.

i didn't understand the second part.

He can hold onto that Q for a long time, which gives an amount of pressure, and enables his ult. You have to play around it. If your style of play and actions change because of a factor that arose, you are in fact playing around it.

The minions give him a ridiculous amount of mobility.

Marshbouy1 votes

You can hold on to a morgana Q even longer. It also enables a full ult form morgana too.

Can't disagree. You are just stating a fact.

The Last Ballad1 votes

But Morgana doesn't start glowing when she has it up, nor does it guarantee 30-50+% of your health(unless you are a tank) gone, whether or not teammates are around.

Marshbouy1 votes

But Morgana doesn't start glowing when she has it up

exactly.

nor does it guarantee 30-50+% of your health(unless you are a tank) gone, whether or not teammates are around.

LOL yes it does. Ever faced a morgana midlaner? Her Q hits for like 600 and her W shreds, especially with TLD.

Seenan1 votes

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But Morgana doesn't start glowing when she has it up, nor does it guarantee 30-50+% of your health(unless you are a tank) gone, whether or not teammates are around.

...Yeah it does. It has a base damage of 300, and if she has even the slightest amount of AP, it also has an 80 or 90% AP ratio...which is a lot and can nuke squishies and perhaps cut a tank somewhat. And Morganas tend to throw a soil under you as soon as they root you, nearly 100% of the time, so there's that.

MunchCrunchLunch3 votes

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yasuo's third Q is just a skillshot. It's a skillshot that has massive particle effects to tell you when it is up.

i didn't understand the second part.

its a point and click knockup if he decides to

Marshbouy1 votes

true. but you also have to be close to him to be in range.

Spoofghoul1 votes

or 30000 teemo's away as long as he got minions to dash through

OxyPoro1 votes

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yasuo's third Q is just a skillshot. It's a skillshot that has massive particle effects to tell you when it is up.

i didn't understand the second part.

E-Q, now it's targeted.

Marshbouy2 votes

With yasuo you just poke out his shield, and play around his W when they are down. that seems fine.

rtbf221479702 votes

Being bad isn't an excuse. Plus your comment is racist... Most people don't have a problem, L2P. Filthy casual

legionnaire991 votes

but i got allot of problem :( [zombie-nunu-tears] i mean read my post

GULAG 4 U2 votes

So I guess aatrox op? You gotta play around GA, Bloodwell levels, sustain, Minimalphite ult and cost less poke? K

really it's pretty easy to make any kit sound overloaded.

ZT Xperimentor2 votes

Riot has good ideas, but they have had significant trouble spreading them out in recent years.

SpookyNeedle1 votes

I've never lost lane to Ekko as Fiora

MunchCrunchLunch1 votes

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I've never lost lane to Ekko as Fiora

i've won against fiora multiple times as ekko. ap then a thornmail. she outscales but hes better at team fights with bruiser builds.

Hi lm Negan1 votes

Found the bronze lol You know that fiora can deal massive amounts of true damage? Btw, a thornmail won't bring anything without some health to back it up. Thornmail is a niche item for rammus and malph.

MunchCrunchLunch1 votes

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Found the bronze lol You know that fiora can deal massive amounts of true damage? Btw, a thornmail won't bring anything without some health to back it up. Thornmail is a niche item for rammus and malph.

early and mid game most of her damage is physical. especially against squishies. its not worth it going for procs when spamming Q does the same thing.

SpookyNeedle1 votes

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i've won against fiora multiple times as ekko. ap then a thornmail. she outscales but hes better at team fights with bruiser builds.

Team fight? What's that? Afk splitting top is more fun imo :p

Seenan1 votes

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I've never lost lane to Ekko as Fiora

One time, I absolutely dicked a Tahm in lane as Fiora and, since I was that fed, I usually just soloed teamfights for the most part. Their Tahm was barely relevant for most of that game. So if you can't snowball that way, then Ekko being good at teamfights might still win.

Hibeki1 votes

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One time, I absolutely dicked a Tahm in lane as Fiora and, since I was that fed, I usually just soloed teamfights for the most part. Their Tahm was barely relevant for most of that game. So if you can't snowball that way, then Ekko being good at teamfights might still win.

I somehow doubt that

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