E: Make it Magic Damage, not True. The reasoning here should be fairly obvious. He'll do more damage than Ignite with it simply because of how fast he's attacking, which shouldn't be allowed.
Ultimate: Don't have it completely erase slows, just let it reduce their duration. Even 75% would be more fair than the complete reduction, since he already has increased speed.
CreationFlaw3 votes"Yi doesn't see High level play, what about Cowsep carrying his entire team when they sucked ass during his final masters Tier promos? Cowsep in general is insane on Master Yi, he actually makes it look like Yi takes skill.
Knight Devout3 votesHe needs to ignore only MOVEMENT SPEED slow, not ATTACK SPEED slow.
It's infuriating exhausting a Yi and still seeing him completely destroy your adc in the time it takes for your skillshot cc to travel to him.
Dig Dux2 votesThis.
Attack speed slows are designed to hurt champions with high attack speed.
Items such as randuins and FH are nearly useless against yi not to mention nasus and malphite being useless.
Yi already has options to get around the attack speed slows with his q and hydra and resets
Make him subject to the same weakness that other high damage carries are subject to
exhaust
OneSlickPhony2 votesFor Yi to be balanced, I think his Q either needs to not lower the cooldown time on auto attacks or stay how it is but not make him invulnerable (I like this one). He could still dodge a lot of abilities because of how fast he'd be moving, but at least there'd be counterplay to it now... Also, the damage reduction on his W is just stupid, I don't think it should exist at all. Remove the damage reduction, increase the heal a lot.
ZeroAnarchy1 votesHe already is blanced, learn how to counter him instead of wining of how op he is when he isn't. There's a reason why he isn't played in high elo.
OneSlickPhony1 votesHe already is blanced, learn how to counter him instead of wining of how op he is when he isn't. There's a reason why he isn't played in high elo.
Master Yi main detected. Notice how you didn't say anything to defend the pure stupidity of Yi's kit. As much as I'd like to "just CC him duh lol I'm so god", it's not me feeding him that's the problem. It's him getting kill after kill off of overextended lanes and being fed to the point that he is literally unstoppable. Oh, you also used "whining" like so many of your Reddit brethren... Try again, buddy.
Kuroi861 votesWait, wait, wait... he got fed and carried the game, that is why you want him nerfed? Because your team played bad? REALLY?!?
OneSlickPhony1 votesWait, wait, wait... he got fed and carried the game, that is why you want him nerfed? Because your team played bad? REALLY?!?
No, please quit putting words in my mouth, thanks. Yi is in no way fun or enjoyable to play against because even if he farms all game, he'll come out strong as fuck. You want to know why Yi always gets fed? It's ecause of his toxic, anti-fun kit. What's not to hate about an invuln/blink every 3-4 seconds, a skill that lets him tower dive at absolutely no risk at all and nullify almost all of a single person's damage, and an ult that makes him do even more damage and be immune to slows?
TL;DR- I hate facing Yi because of his hugely overloaded kit ("REALLY?!?") and ability to be a complete monster late game without a whole lot of counterplay.
Kuroi861 votesIt's him getting kill after kill off of overextended lanes and being fed to the point that he is literally unstoppable.
No, please quit putting words in my mouth, thanks.
I don't have to put words in your mouth, you put them there.
You want to know why Yi always gets fed?
Because you failed to take advantage of his piss poor early game and farm him like you would a cannon minion.
I hate facing Yi because of his hugely overloaded kit
Lol, can't get enough of people throwing around stuff like that without knowing what the heck it means.
ability to be a complete monster late game without a whole lot of counterplay.
So being squishy, having a pathetic early game and one of the easiest "asssassins" to shut down means little counterplay? Wow... I'm Bronze and you sound pathetic.
OneSlickPhony1 votesIt's him getting kill after kill off of overextended lanes and being fed to the point that he is literally unstoppable.
No, please quit putting words in my mouth, thanks.
I don't have to put words in your mouth, you put them there. Woah, a fed champion being unstoppable? REALLY?!? NO WAYYYYYYYYY!
You want to know why Yi always gets fed?
Because you failed to take advantage of his piss poor early game and farm him like you would a cannon minion.
"Muh early game". Lol, you Ryze Master Yi players are all the same. What happens when he hits 6 then? Want to tell me? Or are you going to continue to hide behind your generic, meaningless responses that you so love to use?
I hate facing Yi because of his hugely overloaded kit
Lol, can't get enough of people throwing around stuff like that without knowing what the heck it means.
Except one thing, I DO know an overloaded kit when I see one. Let's take a look: His Q, along with being able to crit, makes him invulnerable and can hit 4 people. The cooldown lowers each time you auto attack so the actual cooldown on his invuln is 3-4 seconds.
His W just healing him would be fine by itself, but noooo. The damage reduction that was thrown in there for no reason allows him to mindlessly towerdive and then ignore most of the turret's and victim's damage. "But muh early game!!??!!!?!!!" Not to mention that using his W works as an auto-attack reset, so Yi can hit you a even more. The AA reset or the heal aren't the unhealthy parts, it's the stupid damage reduction.
His E actually seems pretty fair, although it has a random passive that increases his damage even more. Before you start calling me out on "hiz E r sO opp og hidden passif omgggggg", I will say once again that I think this ability is balanced.
I also dislike his R's passive. Not only can he auto attack to make his Q's cooldown nonexistent, it also instantly drops 70% of the cooldown on kill or assist. This means Yi will spend yet again even MORE time invulnerable to all CC. I can't really complain about the movement and attack speed his active gives him because it has to do SOMETHING, right? Once again, I still think the movement speed is balanced yet annoying because he can outrun any situation he feels like with it. Immunity to slows, you say? Here they are, throwing even more defensive capability into this assassin's kit. The slow immunity isn't really bad, I just question why it was needed. Master Yi is now immune to an entire category of CC as well as being able to dodge the rest with his Q. "Just cc him!" Yeah ok.
Why, pray tell, does an assassin have not two, not three, but FOUR defensive features of his abilities? He's got the low CD invuln on his Q, a percentage damage reduction and heal on his W, and full immunity to slows on his R. It would actually be five defensive features if you counted running 90 miles per hour to escape any situation you don't feel like facing, but I digress.
ability to be a complete monster late game without a whole lot of counterplay.
So being squishy, having a pathetic early game and one of the easiest "asssassins" to shut down means little counterplay? Wow... I'm Bronze and you sound pathetic.
"Muh early gameeesss????" yet again... Right, because Master Yi is just SIMPLE to shut down, emirite? "Just CC him? Hur durrrrr durrrrrrrr?" Sorry, but Yi can dodge basically every CC skill in the game with his Q. Once Yi hits six, he gains the ability to not only dodge all of your CC but also run away if the situation doesn't appeal to him. "Easiest to shut down" lol ok.
Ok, so Yi has a "bad" early game... So what? All he has to do is farm and play safe until level 6 and then he'll be incredibly strong come mid game where he can clean up all the kills in teamfights.
I'm not sure why I'm still having this discussion, to be honest. People will quite literally never run out of ways to defend their champion, and I don't expect any of you to be different.
TL;DR- No, you're gonna read it this time instead of posting generic responses.
Kuroi861 votes"Muh early game". Lol, you Ryze Master Yi players are all the same. What happens when he hits 6 then? Want to tell me? Or are you going to continue to hide behind your generic, meaningless responses that you so love to use?
Wow, you think that? Try looking at my match history, you'll find I have what, two, three total games as Yi, ever. I'm not speaking in defense of Yi, personally he's trash tier that requires that people make absolutely idiotic plays in order to give him an actual advantage.
Except one thing, I DO know an overloaded kit when I see one.
Of the champs in league that could qualify for overloaded, there are very few. Jayce, Nidalee, Shyvana and Quinn are those that come to mind, though Lee Sin gets an honorable mention because everyone and their grandma thinks he is the poster child for overloaded. Yi... He has one damage ability and two steroids... Not impressed, ever.
Right, because Master Yi is just SIMPLE to shut down, emirite?
Meet Pantheon, at level 3, he can farm both Yi and his jungle because all Yi has for damage is his Q with no crit and Yi is low health because he has no innate sustain in a hard hitting jungle. Pantheon can both kill Yi from half health with his full combo, and proceed to counter jungle Yi to hell.
You seem to lack the understanding of why Yi is considered trash tier. It's because he needs three to four completed items to duel ANYONE.
All he has to do is farm and play safe until level 6 and then he'll be incredibly strong come mid game where he can clean up all the kills in teamfights.
And here we run into a problem. Why would you let him farm when you know you can kill him? Good grief, there is free gold running around and you're wasting your time complaining about his late game instead of doing something tried and proven by players at ALL ranks and tiers and proven to be true. Don't shit on a strategy just so you can feel better about making a mistake, learn from your mistake and stop complaining about a trash tier champ.
OneSlickPhony1 votes"Muh early game". Lol, you Ryze Master Yi players are all the same. What happens when he hits 6 then? Want to tell me? Or are you going to continue to hide behind your generic, meaningless responses that you so love to use?
Wow, you think that? Try looking at my match history, you'll find I have what, two, three total games as Yi, ever. I'm not speaking in defense of Yi, personally he's trash tier that requires that people make absolutely idiotic plays in order to give him an actual advantage.
Except one thing, I DO know an overloaded kit when I see one.
Of the champs in league that could qualify for overloaded, there are very few. Jayce, Nidalee, Shyvana and Quinn are those that come to mind, though Lee Sin gets an honorable mention because everyone and their grandma thinks he is the poster child for overloaded. Yi... He has one damage ability and two steroids... Not impressed, ever.
Right, because Master Yi is just SIMPLE to shut down, emirite?
You seem to lack the understanding of why Yi is considered trash tier. It's because he needs three to four completed items to duel ANYONE.
All he has to do is farm and play safe until level 6 and then he'll be incredibly strong come mid game where he can clean up all the kills in teamfights.
And here we run into a problem. Why would you let him farm when you know you can kill him? Good grief, there is free gold running around and you're wasting your time complaining about his late game instead of doing something tried and proven by players at ALL ranks and tiers and proven to be true. Don't shit on a strategy just so you can feel better about making a mistake, learn from your mistake and stop complaining about a trash tier champ.
I suggest you read my posts, sir. I have clearly said many times that I don't personally have troubles fighting Master Yi. If this is such a horribly difficult concept to grasp, maybe you should get off of the internet and learn how to read like a normal person.
Oh, and by the way, I think it's a given that an early game jungler such as Pantheon poops all over a mid/late game jungler such as Yi, lol... But go ahead, continue to spew things about countering Yi that I already know, because it's obvious you can't read at all. I hate playing aganst Yi and his kit, not that I don't know HOW to fight him.
As much as I'd love to listen to you guys say "complain" "waaaah" "qq" "cry" "whine" 50 times in each of your post with few concrete facts, I think I'm done. We could honestly go back and forth forever, because once you get butthurt you won't stop arguing until your sad little pride is saved. If you want to keep keyboard-warrioring, do so if you want. Sadly I won't be here to read such filth.
Have a nice day!
Edit: Oops, I derped and quoted myself instead of you. Deleting that...
Kuroi861 votesAnd yet you still cry out for nerfs to a trash tier champ. Your words do not match up. Try again.
OneSlickPhony1 votesAnd yet you still cry out for nerfs to a trash tier champ. Your words do not match up. Try again.
Lol, if I had a dollar for every time one of you children used the word "cry", "whine", "complain", etc, I'd be able to get PFE and SGU.
It seems like you want to keep fighting like the frustrated baby you are, but I'm done here.
Have a nice day!
Kuroi861 votesIt seems like you want to keep fighting like the frustrated baby you are, but I'm done here.
Fight? I'm still waiting for you to come up with a valid reason to nerf a trash tier champ other than "I hate playing aganst Yi"
"For Yi to be balanced" "overloaded kit"
You say he needs balancing, meaning you think he's op, and yet, "I don't personally have troubles fighting Master Yi." So which is it?
Can I get some consistency here? Either you just want him nerfed because you don't like him or you want him nerfed because he's op. Pick one.
OneSlickPhony1 votesIt seems like you want to keep fighting like the frustrated baby you are, but I'm done here.
Fight? I'm still waiting for you to come up with a valid reason to nerf a trash tier champ other than "I hate playing aganst Yi"
"For Yi to be balanced" "overloaded kit"
You say he needs balancing, meaning you think he's op, and yet, "I don't personally have troubles fighting Master Yi." So which is it?
Can I get some consistency here? Either you just want him nerfed because you don't like him or you want him nerfed because he's op. Pick one.
Just because a champion is unbalanced doesn't make them OP. For example, Gangplank's Q critting for a massive chunk of your HP? That's pretty OP. But considering Gangplank has to get dangerously close to you and he completely relies on that skill, he is in no way considered to be an OP champion. I will state right now that what I've been trying to say is that parts of Yi's kit are indeed overpowered, but that doesn't make him OP because of how squishy he is. When I say overloaded, I mean that each skill does a lot of things at the same time. It might not be your dictionary's definition if overloaded, but you know what I meant.
I'll admit, I worded my post wrong and it made it look like I thought Yi was OP. Yi might not be OP, but he certainly isn't "trash tier" as you so blatantly put it. Ever seen Cowsep play Yi? He dodges pretty much all CC with his Q and nullifies ults with his W.
I personally dislike playing against Yi due to how snowbally he is and how he has a lot of outplay potential, though he's actually kinda fun to play.
Kuroi861 votesJust because a champion is unbalanced doesn't make them OP. For example, Gangplank's Q critting for a massive chunk of your HP? That's pretty OP. But considering Gangplank has to get dangerously close to you and he completely relies on that skill, he is in no way considered to be an OP champion.
Because those factors you mentioned gate him, gives him a clear weak point and is meant to balance out his strengths.
I will state right now that what I've been trying to say is that parts of Yi's kit are indeed overpowered, but that doesn't make him OP because of how squishy he is. When I say overloaded, I mean that each skill does a lot of things at the same time. It might not be your dictionary's definition if overloaded, but you know what I meant.
I get what you're saying. Yi is a pretty simple champ who's built to do one thing and one thing only, though when he hits stride, he does it well. (I've tried bruiser Yi, it sucked, his scaling sucks so hard it's not even funny.)
I'll admit, I worded my post wrong and it made it look like I thought Yi was OP. Yi might not be OP, but he certainly isn't "trash tier" as you so blatantly put it.
And I'll admit his tier is my own personal opinion. Kind of hard to take the champ seriously when he either needs to be fed an obscene amount of kills or free farm for a half hour to match up to me, but again, just my opinion.
I personally dislike playing against Yi due to how snowbally he is and how he has a lot of outplay potential, though he's actually kinda fun to play.
I'm gonna have to look up Cowsep, I've never seen a Yi snowball so hard that the player takes out most outplay. Idk, may come from me being a former tank/bruiser main.
The Ecdysiast1 votesWhy are you arguing, then, for a champion you don't play? You have just proven beyond doubt that you have no idea what you're talking about. You can't give a champion as an example to counter him, because if you aren't that champion, it doesn't apply. Yeah, at level 3 he can take him. The point was that at 6 he can't any more.
Kuroi861 votesYou have just proven beyond doubt that you have no idea what you're talking about.
Gee, what proof you bring, obviously I've never faced and beaten Yi with a number of champs, obviously I don't know what I'm saying. You're so wise.
You can't give a champion as an example to counter him, because if you aren't that champion, it doesn't apply. Yeah, at level 3 he can take him. The point was that at 6 he can't any more.
Try any early game champ, or any ranged champ, and prior to level 11, not 6. Until late game, he's worse than having a wet napkin on your team.
The Ecdysiast1 votesYou just countered everything you used as an argument. "Wow... I'm Bronze and [...]" Just because you aren't good at the game doesn't mean you can talk as if every champion is completely balanced. Yi is not the easiest assassin to shut down. If you look at his sustained damage and ability escape unscathed, you can see that he is actually one of the only "assassins" with the ability to survive WITHOUT being shut down.
Kuroi861 votesJust because you aren't good at the game doesn't mean you can talk as if every champion is completely balanced.
I never said Yi was balanced. Imo he's trash tier and without a team mate determined to help feed him, it takes either heavy neglect or severe misplays for Yi to reach his power game.
Yi is not the easiest assassin to shut down. If you look at his sustained damage and ability escape unscathed, you can see that he is actually one of the only "assassins" with the ability to survive WITHOUT being shut down.
And if you look at his combo, Alpha strike into double strike with Shiv and the hope that he crits, you realize that for an "Assassin" he has possibly one of the weakest burst combos in the game and any champ with actual burst can scrub him out with relative ease so long as no one lets Yi play clean up crew.
ZeroAnarchy1 votesFor one, you shouldn't even jump to conclusions, I don't play Yi. You just need to get better and not waste your CC when he has his q. Also there's this item that is very great item I suggest you should buy called thornmail. He also has no CC at all. Also, I don't use reddit at all. Just get better and stop complaining. If you really think this Yi is OP, then it just proves to me even more that you don't know how to counter champions, you should've seen AP Yi. Try again, buddy.
OneSlickPhony1 votesFor one, you shouldn't even jump to conclusions, I don't play Yi. You just need to get better and not waste your CC when he has his q. Also there's this item that is very great item I suggest you should buy called thornmail. He also has no CC at all. Also, I don't use reddit at all. Just get better and stop complaining. If you really think this Yi is OP, then it just proves to me even more that you don't know how to counter champions, you should've seen AP Yi. Try again, buddy.
Once again this kid puts words in my mouth, when will they learn... If you would have read what I said instead of instantly getting butthurt, you'd realize that I personally don't have troubles countering Yi. The problem is his (I like to call this overloaded) kit that allows him to become incredibly strong whether he gets multiple kills or farms all game to be super strong late game. Also, like I said, his kit is toxic and not much fun to play against. I don't lack the ability to "just counter him, lol git gud", as you so blatantly put it. And then you make a random response saying I don't know how to counter him. Uh, no, I don't lack the knowledge to "just counter him lol gid gud" as you so blatantly put it. I DO know how to fight a Yi, but it's still pretty hard to "just cc him!" when he's invulnerable for half the fight which is just toxic. Your move.
Anonagon1 votesno and no
devourer and skirmisher's are probably going to be nerfed, and that will hit yi hard enough
removing true damage from his e would be stupid. yi is supposed to have the highest damage output in the game lategame, its his entire identity
the removal of slows is essential to his playstyle
git gud and learn to counterjungle/counterpick/end a game before yi becomes ridiculously fed
Kuroi861 votesThere are already nerfs to both items on pbe.
Anonagon1 votesThere are already nerfs to both items on pbe.
good, that means we won't have to see yi nerfs
The Ecdysiast1 votesLove all the Bronze 5 players defending Yi without knowing how the game works. We're not just talking about RANKED here. It's boring as hell to play normals and not have a thing to do because you just happened to not be a champion who counters the guy.
Anonagon1 votesLove all the Bronze 5 players defending Yi without knowing how the game works. We're not just talking about RANKED here. It's boring as hell to play normals and not have a thing to do because you just happened to not be a champion who counters the guy.
calling me bronze 5 when im a gold 4 jungle main and you are silver 4
you don't need to pick specific champions to kill yi. simply playing smart is a counter enough to yi.
Cloud2731 votesAlright, we'll stop whining about Yi (who has ZERO skillshots), when you stop whining about Yasuo. Sound fair?
CreationFlaw1 votesActually, if you do any hard cc to him, he's kind of screwed early game and diving, because his Q actually is a pretty decently long cooldown, but it reduces by attacks, so just cc him and he won't Alpha strike, taadaa
soulchaos1 votesIf i read this post a year ago i would have been all for what you say but then they made yasuo and as far as OP goes yi looks like a child next to him. nerf yas then ill be on this one again.
As far as his alpha strike i think that untargetable abilitys should not exist
AHeroNamedHawke1 votesGet dunked
Quepha1 votesHe'll do more damage than Ignite with it simply because of how fast he's attacking, which shouldn't be allowed.
every champion does more damage than ignite, it's just that the damage from ignite is a valuable bonus to secure a kill.
The Ecdysiast1 votesYou understand I meant more TRUE damage, right?
Quepha1 votesYou understand I meant more TRUE damage, right?
i think my argument still holds that ignite doesn't actually deal a lot of damage and dealing more than it by any measurement isn't a big deal. but i can also just amend my post to say that every champion that deals true damage, deals more true damage than ignite because i'm pretty sure that is also true. i think the only exception to this might be corki until he completely finishes his build.