Can someone tell me why Vayne, doesn't have any nerfs on PBE for next patch?

Guy Fox Teemo·Aug 30, 2015·89 votes·4,246 views

She has 51% win rate and has a 40% PLAY Rate. Thats RIDICULOUS 40% of ranked league players don't main vayne so she's not difficult to play. She's broken as hell. And needs nerfs asap. She has insanely good self peel, the second highest DPS out of all the adcs, and no she doesn't have a weak early game, she has weak early kill pressure. Soon as she hits 6 she'll fuck you up every fight.

I really am surprised theres not huge ass nerfs for her on the pbe.

115 Comments

Subject 5Aug 30, 201522 votes

Janna Lulu "Well we would like to say, that-"

Thresh "Shut the fuck up."

TurquoiseYoshiAug 30, 20156 votes

Janna shouldn't be there. She has the 2nd highest play percentage among supports and the highest win rate among supports.

magic poleAug 30, 20156 votes

ya more liek Zyra Sona Lulu Taric

AtheosisXAug 30, 201520 votes

Until the pros start using and abusing her Riot doesn't give a shit. Nevermind that at every other level of play she's dominant.

Goodest GamerAug 30, 201532 votes

shes played in every high elo game as well. by pros u mean lcs shes also played there. shes fucking everywhere. riot is braindead for letting her slide.

AtheosisXAug 30, 20152 votes

I hadn't seen much of Vayne in pro games, though admittedly I don't watch that many.

ManwalrusAug 30, 20153 votes

She's played quite a bit in Asia, also Riot isn't supposed to balance for the LCS, or at least they deny that they do.

Virgin RayAug 31, 20151 votes

*letting her tumble

Goodest GamerSep 1, 20151 votes

gotti

TurquoiseYoshiAug 30, 20152 votes

She's been extremely popular in everything other than LCS. Only Piglet really plays her in the West, but I see Vayne pretty often in the LCK and LPL.

NorestaAug 30, 20158 votes

Because Riot Dont Care About Us That Why

A Miss FortuneAug 30, 201513 votes

It feels like Riot doesn't care about our opinions more so.

Kalista Vayne Jinx are all overpowered ADCs that manage to get fed and win most games they play? Well, at least they're nerfing the most useless part of Kalista's kit, that actually is really strong in itself but her kit is so overpowered that It's nothing.

Garen is overpowered being a massive tank with a huge damage output? meh better buff his younger sister on the PBE

MasterYi XinZhao Shyvana and so, so, so many others are absolutely overpowered in their own special ways with Devourer? Better nerf Cinderhulk.

TurquoiseYoshiAug 30, 20155 votes

To be fair, Garen is being nerfed on the PBE.

And the funniest part about Sated is that the only change to any of them since it was released was taking 5 AD from Kayle.

A Miss FortuneAug 30, 20152 votes

That nerf to Kayle wasn't even a nerf to her jungling ability, it nerfed her laning phase.

TurquoiseYoshiAug 30, 20156 votes

And it was 5 god damn AD. Even the patch notes knew it was stupid.

gaby1bestAug 30, 20152 votes

U wot. Garen's getting nerfs on PBE.

LICENSED HOOKERAug 30, 20152 votes

GAREN IS JUST FLAT BS

Are you doing good in lane? Snow balled successfully?

Well take this true damage %hp ult ked.

FastAsHeckAug 30, 20151 votes

i dont feel like jinx is op tho... she has no mobility. her only defense is her e and thats slow to arm. pick some divers/hard engage and you will see. coming from someone who plays jinx rarely but enjoys her and wouldnt like her gutted :P

A Miss FortuneAug 30, 20155 votes

But EVERY single game I see a Jinx EVERY single time get fed regardless of how trash she is. Even if she feeds early game, she'll get extremely fed and carry afterwards.

gaby1bestAug 30, 20152 votes

Much like EVERY carry around? Even if they're behind, their team will still get kills, and as the ADC usually has the most dps, they will end up getting the kill.

A Miss FortuneAug 30, 20154 votes

Jinx can go 0-4 in the laning phase but the moment she gets a kill she'll end the game going 20-4. It's absolutely ridiculous. She can be trash but still carry, same with Vayne.

I actually just played against a Vayne last match, absolutely terrible with her, she fed early game and was like 0-3 but after she got BoRK she ended going 4-3.

Both Jinx and Vayne can feed all they want but after they get a single item or kill, the game is over.

I GANK LANESAug 30, 20151 votes

this is bull, if a jinx is 0-4 you can be damn sure shes gonna be useless for the rest of the game if the enemy team is in any way competent. a 0-4 jinx would get wrecked by any member of the team, you camp her and shes literally useless.

A Miss FortuneAug 30, 20151 votes

Not really, I see it most games I fight Jinx. I won't say all because she usually gets fed early game to begin with.

I GANK LANESAug 31, 20151 votes

then your teams suck. a vayne maybe i could understand but a jinx behind can't duel for shit. anyone that jumps on her she explodes

A Miss FortuneAug 31, 20152 votes

Jinx actually has great dueling abilities. She has enough self peel with her Chompers alone that lets her duel well, on top of her Q allowing her to choose between either more flat damage or more attack speed, and while they nerfed her ultimate It's still fair to use as a short range execute in some situations. She's clearly not the best duelist, but she isn't bad by any means and one of the few ADCs with self peel as good as her Chompers.

GorgannanAug 31, 20154 votes

Ult that does bonus damage based on a % of missing HP.

No one with an execute can ever really be shut down. Especially a fast moving global AoE one.

Rıots Bad ClientAug 31, 20152 votes

She has mobility. Her passive.

She also can potentially crit an entire team for 600+ damage, But you let her do that, its kinda your fault. But, lets say she only hits ONE good rocket. thats all it really needs, She needs an assist to just be uncatchable kite machine, with good self peels.

And her Lane phase is really.. REALLY safe, with the ability to check bushes, large range(max at 9, but with the kinda nerf-shes not that range-y) she can cut gank routs, she can control lanes really well and she has a global ult that can also scout(Also kill). ONE kill for Jinx and she can snowball while she has global presence.

Imo, jinx is NOT over powered. but she really needs a shift in power with the over the top safe kit with snowball potential.

Also share the opinion with Vayne. Shes not OP, but the fact that it take one Kill in lane and its hard to actually recover. With her kit, its difficult to build against. Things like Frozen heart, thornmail, omen ect. do help. but there isn't a item you can build %of HP as true damage(MABEY if they has some Regen type item much like tahms W passive. )

But yea, these 2 adc's just need a lil shift. if they were nerfed. they would be garbage- but with the upcomming adc's item readjustments(Or so ive read) I really honestly they shouldn't touch adcs as much. If they were to nerf Vayne and they made her a 50% down a whole big 1%... and the changed Bork... and other shit that makes her spicy. and all her items her current build makes her shit... then well.. shes a dead champ, yea- I get it. You guys want to see her a 36% win rate.

These 2 adcs are over hyped about power.

TyroneWatermelonSep 1, 20151 votes

{quoted} She also can potentially crit an entire team for 600+ damage, But you let her do that, its kinda your fault.

You must be brain damaged. Is it my fault that she right clicked? Think before you write

Rıots Bad ClientSep 2, 20151 votes

Alright, calm down buddy.

Its the same reasoning how malph/yas combo, annie tibbers or Amumu ult ect. can get you team wiped. It all about positioning of the team. If you can't position against a jinx then you're going to have some issues.

TyroneWatermelonSep 1, 20151 votes

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i dont feel like jinx is op tho... she has no mobility. her only defense is her e and thats slow to arm. pick some divers/hard engage and you will see. coming from someone who plays jinx rarely but enjoys her and wouldnt like her gutted :P

Jinx is op because of damage and safety. Pick engage team sure which jinx is going to stand in the backline? Another pathetic jinx player

FastAsHeckSep 3, 20151 votes

Safety? Since when did 0 mobility become safe? Have you even tried picking champs like or Malphite or Zed or Annie when there is a Jinx on the enemy team? I'll give you a hint, its not fun for the Jinx . A lot of ADCs have no mobility spell, and they all make up for it with big damage. Look at KogMaw or Draven or MissFortune or Sivir , they all have no mobility but they all still have a way to defend themselves, Jinx having her Chompers isn't OP in any way. There are also champions like Tristana who have mobility but they don't have the AoE attacks of Jinx or the damage of KogMaw or the damage of a Draven who can catch his axes. Every advantage has its tradeoffs. For Jinx , her advantage is long range and lots of damage, the tradeoff is her lack of mobility which makes it super easy to catch her and kill her. Her Passive is only useful when she kills someone, and even then it is not a reposition like Tristana E, it is just a speed burst. You can still slow her, she can't jump through walls, you get the point.

Also I'm not "Another pathetic jinx player" as you decided to say it, I'm just someone who likes playing Jinx when I have to go ADC. My main is Jungle.

TyroneWatermelonAug 30, 20156 votes

What if i told you,Vayne is a trademark bitch for Riot just like Katarina,Riven,Annie and Ahri,they will not nerf her. maybe they will when ao shin is released

Soda PopkillskiAug 30, 20159 votes

Katarina has been nerfed a few times at least. But god damn I don't get why they haven't touched Annie yet, it's riduculous.

TyroneWatermelonSep 1, 20151 votes

[{quoted}](name=Soda Popkillski,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=LhWPV9gr,comment-id=00060000,timestamp=2015-08-30T13:00:01.045+0000) But god damn I don't get why they haven't touched Annie yet, it's riduculous.

Maybe they aren't pedophiles

BakedLotionAug 30, 20156 votes

It's so Riot casters have something to talk about 'OH MY GOD SHE TUMBLES OUT OF THAT SKILLSHOT, SHE THREE SHOTS THE ENEMY OOOOOOOO PENTAKILLLLLL' 'LOOKS LIKE SHE USED ULT SHES ABOUT TO ENGAGE, OH SHIT SHE STEALTHED AND IS RUNNING AT 1K MOVESPEED!!!!'

Trash MammaIAug 30, 20155 votes

Because she's not worth nerfing. Hell, in fact the last balance change she got was a buff iirc.

The new items has made tanks popular. Who shreds tanks? Vayne does. People realize games go on longer these days. What adc is stronger later into the game? Vayne is.

The meta is shifting around her not Vayne shifting the meta.

Notice how AFTER the juggernaut update you see endless threads about her. Before then nobody was whining about her that much.

Guy Fox TeemoAug 30, 20155 votes

No , I'm pretty sure if you frequent the boards, you'd realize people have been complaining about vayne for like the last month or two

Riv x KobeAug 30, 20156 votes

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No , I'm pretty sure if you frequent the boards, you'd realize people have been complaining about vayne for like the last month or two

Actually people have been complaining about Vayne for years. Not just the last 2 months.

LaceUp23Aug 30, 20154 votes

Because then you'll just change your bitching to tanks and assassins :)

Vayne is literally the same. The only reason she is now popular is because people bitched about lane bully adcs.

ManwalrusAug 30, 20153 votes

Because Riot likes true damage and 3-hit passives.

TyroneWatermelonAug 30, 20151 votes

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Because Riot likes true damage and 3-hit passives.

because riot like true damage anyway

ManwalrusAug 30, 20152 votes

That's...exactly what I said.

WolfeurAug 30, 20153 votes

Can you tell me why you, put a comma?

MadraAug 31, 20153 votes

Vayne will be the new Kalista at Worlds.

Remlap1223Aug 30, 20152 votes

She's not getting nerfed because the game is balanced around LC$ and she's Yolo Queue cheese. She's overpowered, yes, but she's also easy to shut down if you actually try to play against her.

Pick any champion with poke or early game burst. Don't give me the whole "all her counters are shit now", Ashe, Caitlyn, Graves, and (especially) Miss Fortune dumpster Vayne. Vayne has no poke, so if she initiates, lock her down and initiate back.

I have yet to lose to a Vayne in recent memory as Ashe or Miss Fortune for reasons within my control.

MatezoideAug 30, 201513 votes

Because she is Phreak's waifu.

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She's not getting nerfed because the game is balanced around LC$ and she's Yolo Queue cheese. She's overpowered, yes, but she's also easy to shut down if you actually try to play against her.

Pick any champion with poke or early game burst. Don't give me the whole "all her counters are shit now", Ashe, Caitlyn, Graves, and (especially) Miss Fortune dumpster Vayne. Vayne has no poke, so if she initiates, lock her down and initiate back.

I have yet to lose to a Vayne in recent memory as Ashe or Miss Fortune for reasons within my control.

52% win-rate while being the single most picked champion in the game across every elo.

Yeah, no, this bitch needs to go.

If the game isnt balanced around LC$, why are Gragas and Maokai getting nerfed?

GorgannanAug 31, 20152 votes

Your math is off.

40% of champions played aren't Vayne.

She's played in 40% of games, with 10 players. It's not like 40% of people are playing Vayne at any given moment.