The top meta is destroyed... again.

Thilmer·Jul 22, 2018·41 votes·12,881 views

So now Teleport has been nerfed again God knows why, and Ignite deals much more damage than before, so the only viable champions in the toplane are bully laners with Ignite that automatically wins the laning phase.

So awesome to see Riot can't balance the toplane and clearly doesn't even care about it. The most useless position and the less variety of viable champions in a lane since early season 7, with a super boring idea of "counterpick or get counterpicked" because the place is full of bully laners, hard counters and ridiculous champions like Fiora or Irelia.

Another role I can't play properly because I don't feel like playing the 3-4 champions that are absurdly broken in each patch. Let's put it in my list of "I don't want to play this bullshit role rigth now" with jungler and support.

Great.... [sg-soraka]

67 Comments

TrollmanshipJul 22, 201829 votes

The top lane meta is to make your enemy laner hate life more than you yourself do.

AnAggravatedPimpJul 22, 20188 votes

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The top lane meta is to make your enemy laner hate life more than you yourself do.

I had a joke but realized that after laning against Quinn, Lissandra, Vayne, Renekton, Rumble, old Yorick, and the like that you're right and I'm probably depressed.

3TWarriorJul 23, 20181 votes

I loved him but remember old Mordekasier? His one and only job was to CRUSH his lane opponent and then be relevant late game

there were very, very few champions that could face a mordekaiser and those that could were a skill-matchup

even the dreaded Jayce only tickled morde's shields

WiegrafOfValorJul 22, 201810 votes

That's not hard, just pick one of those:

Gnar Jayce Teemo

#Usually bought together: item 3022 , item 3047 , Being a disgrace to your mother.

saltranJul 23, 20183 votes

-Gnar has 46.7% winrate with also low pickrate (3.7%) https://lolalytics.com/ranked/worldwide/platinum/plus/champions/

-The Boards: OMG RANGED TOPLANER BUSTED

SpecterVonBarenJul 23, 20181 votes

So what you're saying is, top laners are just Nunu cosplayers.

Warlord RhinarkJul 22, 201819 votes

Mid is the only role that isn't a headache to play in right now.

Well-

If you're playing an Assassin, that is.

If you're playing an immobile Mage, Chernobog help you.

NalisaiJul 22, 20187 votes

[{quoted}](name=Warlord Rhinark,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Lf2ncpuF,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-07-22T14:46:10.894+0000)

Mid is the only role that isn't a headache to play in right now.

Well-

If you're playing an Assassin, that is.

If you're playing an immobile Mage, Chernobog help you.

Comments like this are why I still laugh with Veigar when I drop a cage around myself during Zed's ult animation or Talon ult.

zaire90Jul 22, 20184 votes

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Comments like this are why I still laugh with Veigar when I drop a cage around myself during Zed's ult animation or Talon ult.

Fr I play assassins but in ranked im generally playing syndra and its so easy to poke an assassin out of lane multiple times before they even hit lv 6 and cn start all ining and when those zeds ult i just drop a q behind me and get my e ready

IfnethJul 23, 20181 votes

Here’s a tip to drive Zed nuts. Stand still when he ults and drop the back edge of the cage right behind yourself. He’s coded to appear behind you 0.75 seconds after he disappears. The stun is guaranteed, and your kit will 100-0 him after first recall.

SugeMinPikkJul 22, 20185 votes

Huh. TF has the 8th highest win rate in mid lane.. And the highest pick rate.. All 7 champions above him have less than 2% pick rate or he counters them.. hmmmm

Reaper ZeroJul 22, 20182 votes

I play only immobile mages like Lux, Twisted Fate, and Anivia. The only champions I cannot beat in lane consistently are Zed, Leblanc, Diana, Akali, and Talon. I can still usually I can still win the game through roaming.

Weiner the PoohJul 23, 20181 votes

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I play only immobile mages like Lux, Twisted Fate, and Anivia. The only champions I cannot beat in lane consistently are Zed, Leblanc, Diana, Akali, and Talon. I can still usually I can still win the game through roaming.

NO NO! IMMOBLE MAGES ARE THE WORST! THEY NEED BUFFS! ALL OF THEM! This is boards 101, mages suck everything else is strong.

Crescent DuskJul 23, 20181 votes

[{quoted}](name=Warlord Rhinark,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Lf2ncpuF,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-07-22T14:46:10.894+0000)

Mid is the only role that isn't a headache to play in right now.

Well-

If you're playing an Assassin, that is.

If you're playing an immobile Mage, Chernobog help you.

Play an Assassin that's not Zed or Talon against Zoe and it's not much different either.

HyquiemJul 23, 20181 votes

[{quoted}](name=Warlord Rhinark,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Lf2ncpuF,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-07-22T14:46:10.894+0000)

Mid is the only role that isn't a headache to play in right now.

Well-

If you're playing an Assassin, that is.

If you're playing an immobile Mage, Chernobog help you.

But... that’s 2 classes of mages that are immobile while assasins...

IceKingChernobogJul 24, 20181 votes

You called?

Warlord RhinarkJul 24, 20182 votes

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You called?

M- my lord!

IceKingChernobogJul 24, 20181 votes

I am sorry my faithful follower. Not even i, chernobog. Lord of the cold, death, and darkness can do anything about this meta.

Warlord RhinarkJul 24, 20181 votes

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I am sorry my faithful follower. Not even i, chernobog. Lord of the cold, death, and darkness can do anything about this meta.

Well shit.

IceKingChernobogJul 24, 20181 votes

You called?

SalsonJul 22, 201813 votes

ridiculous champions like **Fiora **or Irelia.

Man, how I wish that was true.

Top is now the 'Retard Lane of the Rift', full of Nasus, Wu, Panth, Tryn, Singed and Garen. Who the hell keeps buffing shits like this. The only thing we need is a Teemo buff to complete the ruination.

remakoroJul 22, 20184 votes

Teemo actually needs it... He has been hit with waay too many indirect nerfs.

RyrynounetJul 22, 20181 votes

Like what ? I don't know much about what nerfs can have a bad impact on teemo :x

remakoroJul 22, 201810 votes

item 3147 blackout passive itself + recent change that allows to oneshot shrooms. item 3364 available earlier. New runes for item CDR. item 3151 removal of penetration. Pyke shits on his shrooms due to his broken passive (he will just regenerate 80% of dmg taken) Teemo is quite bad with burst or very mobile champions which is... Everyone those days. For CC he has slows... Which largely ignored by dashes and blind which works the best on AA reliant champions... Most of which almost extinct. Even goes AP those days and just spins all over his face. Most hilarious is that he apparently still can deal dmg with procs of rageblade even while blinded and it actually hurts considering that its impossible to just burst down tryndamere.
Removal of deathfire touch. Shitty runes allocation. If you want actually useful keystone that wont work against you by revealing your location in dumbest way like aery or meteor you will need to go something other than sorcery. Which will leave you without manaband and almost without mana as results. Most of efficient itemization paths will leave him completely without mana. If you will take manaband as secondary you wont be able to take resolve and boneplating which isnt nice. item 3085 cost increase. He wasnt biggest Runaan user but its still was a thing. 8.9 nerf to mana. Fuck me if i know why. Single mana item teemo builds is item 3100 . And it does not even happen that often. Q started to draw aggro from minions After give away of free stats he promptly got robbed of 40% of them.

He had none of those problems in previous season. And even more. His poison worked in interesting ways with several items and abilities. Like item 3303 or trunderlord.

Thats just some of the things that i could remember. He received some direct nerfs in this season but the only buff that he enjoyed was ignite buff. Questionable how happy he should be about that since every burst oriented opponent of his gonna have that.

RagnaveilJul 23, 20184 votes

Maybe if your E wasn't some godlike harass tool, maybe he might get buffs.

remakoroJul 23, 20181 votes

Not gonna argue how godlike it is but there are other ways to buff him without breaking him and making him true incarnation of evil again.

You know some things like - revert nerfs to mana. At least partially, so you wont be FORCED to go manaflow band. Or make blind actually work on something. A lot of... More fresh... champions ignore his blind almost completely. Things just isnt consistent at all on that side. Lot of abilities work as AA and proc on hit effects and such but completely ignore blind from Teemo. Versus some champions it completely denies you any possibility of counterplay. He might feel like real champion and not just some AP hamster after that.

Increase duration on shrooms. Even 30 seconds would feel really nice. Or give them more vision radius. There is a lot of things that wont impact his combat ability directly but would make him stronger anyway.

Considering the fact that with his playrate and simplicity of his kit he tends to sink below 50% winrate quite often those days it might not be such bad idea.

My Waifu VanillaJul 22, 20187 votes

God I hope the enemy team picks Irelia into me.

https://lolalytics.com/ranked/worldwide/platinum/plus/champion/Irelia/

TyroneWatermelonJul 22, 20187 votes

That teleport nerf was a collective punishment because of (guess)

Bot lane, the usual asshole kid

SugeMinPikkJul 22, 20186 votes

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So now Teleport has been nerfed again God knows why

Everyone knows why...

~~Ezreal ~~ ADC always ruins everything

VermillionWolfJul 22, 20185 votes

As someone who mains toplane and mains Darius . I tried playing Sion teleport for a few games.....

fuck me that was a bad experience.

Quinn burn this champ at the stake ty

Also I am personally stopping myself from taking ignite, in hope that my enemy laner doesn't kill himself after playing against me.

SpecterVonBarenJul 23, 20181 votes

Nah, at least Quinn makes you Darius mains suffer like you make mains of melee champs suffer.

CeazaruJul 23, 20181 votes

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Nah, at least makes you mains suffer like you make mains of melee champs suffer.

Darius is not even that great. the last time I looked up his stats he wasn't even 50% in plat+. meanwhile Quinn has been at the top of standings in top lane in terms of win rate since the beginning of the season.

SpecterVonBarenJul 23, 20181 votes

And? Doesn't change what he's been capable of in the past nor does it change how lanning versus him goes now. It's like how sometimes some poor deluded soul will bring up how Kalista is in a bad spot and could "use some love" and everyone else on the boards will immediately smack them down because we remember what that champion was like when she was strong.

VermillionWolfJul 28, 20181 votes

Yes but Darius can be beat in lane, most Darius's push into you, wait till they get greedy and eat a tower shot, then all in them, ignite and dodge his Q. Should be an easy kill as Q's cooldown is like 9 seconds rank 1. Also Darius post 6 isnt the strongest in the game

VermillionWolfJul 28, 20181 votes

I mean, Darius is perma banned in draft, so its not like I get the chance to make people suffer. Quinn makes all melee suffer btw not just Darius :)

SpoofghoulJul 23, 20182 votes

The only use for teleport on Sion

cheese enemy buff + first wave to troll bot your lane opponent and enemy jungler
after 6 ult down midlane or botlane into immobile opponents your kit at that point has enough damage to oneshot them with a full combo you can then teleport back to lane after stealing all your allies cs and killing one two or 3 enemies

Not sure how you used it but that is pretty much what teleport is for I mean it takes 4,5 seconds to teleport then at least 2-3 seconds before you can contribute anything usefull due to your slow ass kit by then your enemy has recalled

Other then that i would suggest smite as it has a really short cooldown for a combat summoner and you can then grab cinderhulk Ignite has it's uses for obvious reasons

Or be cheesy and grab exhaust not many people do this and you can use it to bait enemies into tower diving and get double kills because they forgot about it Or use it a split second prior to your death and get an easy revenge kill It's often better then ignite or barrier in a 1v1 fight in terms of how much damage it blocks vs how much ignite deals And it can be used to peel in team fights

right now teleport is really bad and i wouldn't really take it on Sion anymore

saltranJul 23, 20184 votes

The most useless position

Actually I cant believe that toplaners are still crying.

Warlord RhinarkJul 23, 20183 votes

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Actually I cant believe that toplaners are still crying.

I know right.

Not every position can be the most influential position at the same time.

As a top lane main, I'm fine with my role not being the "big dick" lane where everything I do has some sort of bigger impact on the game.

SpecterVonBarenJul 23, 20184 votes

Like they'd be OH SO HAPPY to deal with nonstop four man ganks to their lane every two minutes like I have to deal with as a support.

GayFluffyUnicornJul 23, 20181 votes

Oh yeah you poor botlaners. You should have to play 5 top games as darius against quinn and play 1v2 the entire game while your jungle falls behind in farm, doesnt get a single objective, dies in the 3v2 botlane and every position loses.

saltranJul 23, 20181 votes

You are almost descibing this game https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YowtHq3IVUU

SpecterVonBarenJul 23, 20183 votes

Oh no the poor Darius players getting a taste of their own medicine where they make life hell for melee champs and suddenly because they're melee they have to deal with a champ that makes them suffer just as much.

Everything else you said can apply to any other position in the game.

VermillionWolfJul 28, 20181 votes

Dude, do you know how hard toplane gets camped in certain cases? Toplane is 10% of the time skill matchup, 20% of the time 'are you vs Quinn?', '70% of the time who was jungle influence on their side'.

Pandemic PunchJul 23, 20182 votes

If tanks aren't the strongest top lane picks, it will always be a mess. It isn't "fixed" when fighters and bruisers are dominating top so easily because the counter picks are so one-sided. And there is nothing you can do to hold the lane in the one-sided counter match ups. You just pray that your team wins 4v4 so you have a chance to actually escape the lane and do something meaningful on the map.

CeazaruJul 23, 20181 votes

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If tanks aren't the strongest top lane picks, it will always be a mess. It isn't "fixed" when fighters and bruisers are dominating top so easily because the counter picks are so one-sided. And there is nothing you can do to hold the lane in the one-sided counter match ups. You just pray that your team wins 4v4 so you have a chance to actually escape the lane and do something meaningful on the map.

If tanks dominate top lane then it essentially becomes a boring farming fiesta where trades are worthless and top lane starts being ignored because no jgler wants to waste time trying to kill a tank. Top laners hate the tank top only meta because you have very minimal impact and you are left at the mercy of your carries to be healthy once team fighting starts. you essentially become the second support.

Pandemic PunchJul 23, 20182 votes

That is exactly how I like my top lane. I would prefer it if every lane wasn't doing sustained burst damage and at least have one lane that can provide a tank and utility.

Your impact on the game can be decided by lane manipulation and roaming plays rather than who picked the champion who can deal the most damage in the shortest amount of time.

CeazaruJul 23, 20181 votes

[{quoted}](name=Pandemic Punch,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Lf2ncpuF,comment-id=000b00000000,timestamp=2018-07-23T17:18:20.525+0000)

That is exactly how I like my top lane. I would prefer it if every lane wasn't doing sustained burst damage and at least have one lane that can provide a tank and utility.

Your impact on the game can be decided by lane manipulation and roaming plays rather than who picked the champion who can deal the most damage in the shortest amount of time.

weather you the ability to roam and make plays still doesn't matter because you are still at the mercy of you carries. your plays mean nothing with no follow up. If your carries go 0-5 then you're screwed because tanks can't solo carry. That is why top laners don't like tanks because your entire impact on the game is dependent on your carries being healthy when you group up with them. Thanks for making it clear that you don't want us top laners to have carry potential and have a real impact on the other then hoping our bot lane doesn't feed.

Pandemic PunchJul 23, 20181 votes

If you are consistent, you will win more often than you lose in that meta. You are talking to someone who plays nothing but top lane to climb whenever I lose too much elo from fooling around. Earlier this season, I won 16 Maokai games in a row when Maokai wasn't even a favorable pick. That was BEFORE the bruiser and fighter meta of course.

That said, you skipped the point I made in the very first post. When you are counter picked in the top lane as a fighter/bruiser, you have no say at all over the game. You are entirely dependent on your team winning 4v4 and 4v5 (When the enemy top laner shoves you in and roams) which throws your "carry potential" out of the window. You have absolutely nothing in your kit that allows you to play from a major deficit.

I see you playing Darius, Yorick, and Garen. These are all champions who can't do shit when they are counter picked or playing from behind. Granted, Yorick can play just about any matchup so I will grant you that at least. However, Yorick is still also heavily reliant on the team to not fight and hold turrets while you split. Which is asking a whole lot in low elos. He is as vulnerable as playing a tank with carries that don't follow up. Just in a different way.

CeazaruJul 24, 20181 votes

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If you are consistent, you will win more often than you lose in that meta. You are talking to someone who plays nothing but top lane to climb whenever I lose too much elo from fooling around. Earlier this season, I won 16 Maokai games in a row when Maokai wasn't even a favorable pick. That was BEFORE the bruiser and fighter meta of course.

That said, you skipped the point I made in the very first post. When you are counter picked in the top lane as a fighter/bruiser, you have no say at all over the game. You are entirely dependent on your team winning 4v4 and 4v5 (When the enemy top laner shoves you in and roams) which throws your "carry potential" out of the window. You have absolutely nothing in your kit that allows you to play from a major deficit.

I see you playing Darius, Yorick, and Garen. These are all champions who can't do shit when they are counter picked or playing from behind. Granted, Yorick can play just about any matchup so I will grant you that at least. However, Yorick is still also heavily reliant on the team to not fight and hold turrets while you split. Which is asking a whole lot in low elos. He is as vulnerable as playing a tank with carries that don't follow up. Just in a different way.

I can that top lane is full of hard counters but i think that's because it's like the most champion diverse lane in the game. so there are champions that go top lane and just invalidate like 90% of the top lane roster and i guess you can go tanks.though I don't find it preferable because tank top lane is the least interactive lane in the game. I've already been considering playing more Malphite since champions like Tryndamere are strong right because the he is right now he can just out trade other top laners.