@Riot Can we talk about Eve?

Koechophe·Dec 4, 2015·8 votes·715 views

The preseason has hit her pretty hard. Not only was Runeglaive nerfed, but with (undeniably) less wards on the map, her passive, which is the bulk of her power budget, is now far less powerful. Added to that, her early clear is hurt by the recent mastery changes, and she was hurt a lot by the nerfs that went out right before preseason hit, as well as the magic resist increases on different jungle mobs. Not to mention, pinks are cheaper early which means responding to her ganks is easier.

I know that eve is hated by much of the community (I see people whine whenever I pick her, usually both my allies and the enemies) but I still love her gameplay and theme. The assassin that drops out of stealth and bursts, then hops back in. That fantasy isn't fulfilled by anyone quite like eve, and right now she feels exceptionally weak. Do you guys have any plans to help her out?

15 Comments

AyRe CoNteMpTDec 4, 20151 votes

remove her stealth, give her some stat boosts and everyone is happy

KoechopheDec 4, 20156 votes

No, that would make literally no one happy.

KANYE OBAMA GODDec 4, 20152 votes

The equivalent to doing that is basically saying the same as

"Remove Blitz's Q throw numbers at him, done" "Remove Yasuo's double crit, shield, and windwall, done" "Remove Nautilus's shield and ult, done"

Her stealth is the most important part of her kit which is what makes her incredibly difficult to balance. Stealth is hard to balance around in general. Think about all of the champions where stealth plays a big part in their kit. They're usually either disgustingly powerful or really bad.

AyRe CoNteMpTDec 4, 20151 votes

her stealth is the most toxic element in league. it simply shoudlnt exist even if some sociophobes like to play her. there is no validation to have it in the game.

SukishooDec 4, 20151 votes

As if there aren't other stealth champs in the game...

BeldairDec 4, 20151 votes

She is perfectly fine. And if you say, well get rid of it. Then maybe we should remove stealth from all champs. In fact, why stop there. Let's get rid of Bard's ult, Teemo's mushrooms, Ahri's charm, Rammus' taunt, etc. In fact, let's just get rid of the abilities in general.

KANYE OBAMA GODDec 4, 20151 votes

I am fully aware of that. It is extremely toxic. But it's part of her character, you can't remove it without ruining her thematically.

AyRe CoNteMpTDec 4, 20151 votes

there could be another way to give her a stealth-concept that actually doesnt neccessarily have to make her PERMANENTLY INVISIBLE.

it simply is nothing that makes the game better or more interesting. also, having such a strong passive, probably the strongest passive in the game, means alot of her power has to be taken away from other abilities and its logically impossible to balance this correctly because she MUST BE a much weaker fighter than any other champion.

she must be very squishy and her damage has to be limited in range (which it is) but if shes too squishy, she is useless and if she isnt squishy enough, her invisibility is too strong. its simply the yasuo syndrome where the kit of a champion is in a spot where it cant be balanced.

yasuos entire kit either contains enough damage to enables him to do his job in which case he is overpowered or it doesnt, in which case he is underpowered. either he can kill, in which case he has EVERYTHING or he cant kill, in which case he only has mediocre mobility and mediocre utility. there is no middle ground because he is a killer. if he cant kill, you wouldnt want to pick yasuo.

same with evelyn. she must pay for her invisibility so if her damage is so high that she can kill you if she gets close, invisibility is too strong because it enables her to get close very easily. if her damage is too low to kill you, its still very strong because she can choose when to deal it. if her damage is low enough for her passive to not be overpowered, its too low for her passive to be impactful. also, her concept is based on being super squishy but darting in and out of shadows to not be targeted. this means if she is too squishy, the invisibility doesnt help and if she isnt too squishy, its overpowered.

there is no middle ground. its a bad concept and it should be removed.

SithesisLordDec 5, 20151 votes

Yeaaaaaaah.

[Cough] item 3508 item 3031 item 3046 item 3094 item 3085 item 3087 item 3078 item 3086 [Cough]

You really wanna go into the toxic mechanic talk? Cuz it could take a while.

Stealth is just another form of CC. Call it the 'Be %%%%ing careful' kind of CC.

AyRe CoNteMpTDec 5, 20151 votes

go ahead and go into the toxic mechanic talk then, because "be fucking careful"-kind of cc definitely isnt a thing.

Lady HammerlockDec 5, 20151 votes

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The equivalent to doing that is basically saying the same as

"Remove Blitz's Q throw numbers at him, done" "Remove Yasuo's double crit, shield, and windwall, done" "Remove Nautilus's shield and ult, done"

Her stealth is the most important part of her kit which is what makes her incredibly difficult to balance. Stealth is hard to balance around in general. Think about all of the champions where stealth plays a big part in their kit. They're usually either disgustingly powerful or really bad.

generally the easiest to balance stealth probably belongs to Khazix it has quite a short duration

Shroom JunkieDec 4, 20151 votes

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remove her stealth, give her some stat boosts and everyone is happy

Oh and while we're at it let's just change her splash and rename her, because her stealth is her identity.