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DeathBurst3 votes

So, what exactly do you think is unfair? I see two teams of roughly similar MMR, and a 55-minute-long game carried by a Master Yi, which is just inevitable if you let the game go to 55-minute-long in the first place, that's what Yi is designed to do.

From what I can tell, you were very far ahead everyone else at 20 minutes, but you didn't managed to leverage that lead to close the game. You also have only 9 assists; when you're ahead, it's important to make sure the rest of your team also get gold, because otherwise they'll be useless, and it's not their fault.

I see a game where you played well, just not well enough to win, and nothing strikes me as particularly troll'y. Especially have a look at how you die between 15 and 25 minutes, and I'm sure you'll realize there were a couple mistakes there that could have been avoided and would have given you the game.

More importantly, I see you have a 60% winrate on Nunu and Anivia, and over hundreds of game so it's a pretty reliable stat. Why don't you just spam those champs and climb? 60% winrate is more than enough to climb, you can probably reach Silver with that, even if it will be hard before the end of Season in one month. And stop playing Assassins and pseudo-Assassins like Akali, Kassadin, Master Yi, Twitch, etc. where you all have <50% winrate. Tough luck, Assassins are not your style, deal with it. And for fuck's sake, don't play SIXTY different champions in Ranked... THAT is why you can't reach Silver currently. Look at all those champs with 1-5 more losses than wins at the bottom of your list: there, here are all the LP you needed to get into Silver. It's not a problem of unfair Ranked. It's a problem of you taking Free Losses because you play tons of different champs you don't know. One or two games don't matter that much, but when you sum that over 30 different champs, it adds up quite fast.

Play only the Champs in your top10 most played currently, minus Akali and Kassadin where you are under 50% currently, and you'll see the results in no time...

Th3 Rift Hero1 votes

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So, what exactly do you think is unfair? I see two teams of roughly similar MMR, and a 55-minute-long game carried by a Master Yi, which is just inevitable if you let the game go to 55-minute-long in the first place, that's what Yi is designed to do.

From what I can tell, you were very far ahead everyone else at 20 minutes, but you didn't managed to leverage that lead to close the game. You also have only 9 assists; when you're ahead, it's important to make sure the rest of your team also get gold, because otherwise they'll be useless, and it's not their fault.

I see a game where you played well, just not well enough to win, and nothing strikes me as particularly troll'y. Especially have a look at how you die between 15 and 25 minutes, and I'm sure you'll realize there were a couple mistakes there that could have been avoided and would have given you the game.

More importantly, I see you have a 60% winrate on Nunu and Anivia, and over hundreds of game so it's a pretty reliable stat. Why don't you just spam those champs and climb? 60% winrate is more than enough to climb, you can probably reach Silver with that, even if it will be hard before the end of Season in one month. And stop playing Assassins and pseudo-Assassins like Akali, Kassadin, Master Yi, Twitch, etc. where you all have <50% winrate. Tough luck, Assassins are not your style, deal with it. And for fuck's sake, don't play SIXTY different champions in Ranked... THAT is why you can't reach Silver currently. Look at all those champs with 1-5 more losses than wins at the bottom of your list: there, here are all the LP you needed to get into Silver. It's not a problem of unfair Ranked. It's a problem of you taking Free Losses because you play tons of different champs you don't know. One or two games don't matter that much, but when you sum that over 30 different champs, it adds up quite fast.

Play only the Champs in your top10 most played currently, minus Akali and Kassadin where you are under 50% currently, and you'll see the results in no time...

oh well thats the 8/9/10 random game in the middle 9 hours ago where illaoi wanted to go adc (with illaoi) and refused to group because the support picked tristana

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oh well thats the 8/9/10 random game in the middle 9 hours ago where illaoi wanted to go adc (with illaoi) and refused to group because the support picked tristana

um actually i played nunu as support before and im not really good with him anymore, anivia, well, i tried it on a smurf and wasn't able to play her at a silver level, and also had a bad losing streak as her, and actually, my akali winrate is not totally reliable cause i improved a lot with her it was once 30% and now its rising

DeathBurst1 votes

Doesn't change the rest of my comment. Don't play 60 different champs.

And yes, this game was trolly, indeed. The thing is, there are trolls in the enemy teams too. It averages out.

And for what it's worth, I'd blame the Tristana before the Illaoi: she was assigned Support and she refused to play the role. Illaoi then refusing to group and dying 14 times didn't help, and I'd report her too, but the first blame is on Trist, NOT on Illaoi. And if you check their profile? No surprise. Trist is a Blitz main who should have sticked to her main and actually played Support, and Illaoi was an Illaoi main, who was actually smart to play her best champ even in an off-meta position rather than try to learn a true ADC on the fly. You lost this game because Tristana did not trust Illaoi and tilted her, NOT because Illaoi picked a melee champ bot.

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Doesn't change the rest of my comment. Don't play 60 different champs.

And yes, this game was trolly, indeed. The thing is, there are trolls in the enemy teams too. It averages out.

And for what it's worth, I'd blame the Tristana before the Illaoi: she was assigned Support and she refused to play the role. Illaoi then refusing to group and dying 14 times didn't help, and I'd report her too, but the first blame is on Trist, NOT on Illaoi. And if you check their profile? No surprise. Trist is a Blitz main who should have sticked to her main and actually played Support, and Illaoi was an Illaoi main, who was actually smart to play her best champ even in an off-meta position rather than try to learn a true ADC on the fly. You lost this game because Tristana did not trust Illaoi and tilted her, NOT because Illaoi picked a melee champ bot.

i just said illaoi would be better as a support cause she didnt had range for adc and she refused to take relic shield or ancient coin and contribute in any way to the team

DeathBurst1 votes

Between Tristana and Illaoi, sure, Illaoi makes the better Support. But the Tristana's player should have never picked Tristana in the first place. They were assigned Support, and they refused to play the role. That's the first problem and the root of all the others.

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Doesn't change the rest of my comment. Don't play 60 different champs.

And yes, this game was trolly, indeed. The thing is, there are trolls in the enemy teams too. It averages out.

And for what it's worth, I'd blame the Tristana before the Illaoi: she was assigned Support and she refused to play the role. Illaoi then refusing to group and dying 14 times didn't help, and I'd report her too, but the first blame is on Trist, NOT on Illaoi. And if you check their profile? No surprise. Trist is a Blitz main who should have sticked to her main and actually played Support, and Illaoi was an Illaoi main, who was actually smart to play her best champ even in an off-meta position rather than try to learn a true ADC on the fly. You lost this game because Tristana did not trust Illaoi and tilted her, NOT because Illaoi picked a melee champ bot.

but also, this kind of things happen a lot more often than usual in low silver or low bronze :(

DeathBurst1 votes

The important thing is it happens equally to both teams. You get just as many free wins as you get free losses.

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The important thing is it happens equally to both teams. You get just as many free wins as you get free losses.

yeah i would just like that the system get improved in season 8 by taking bronze and silver into account , maybe, something like pairing only people of same winrate or same division together or also, maybe some kind of thing to tweak lp after game depending on the player contribution to the win or what may have been a win(dunno, maybe some calculations on pressure on map, gold won, pressure on objectives, use of minion waves..)

GrievousFetus2 votes

You're the only constant across all of your games.

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You're the only constant across all of your games.

yeah sure but carrying that hard a game and not being able to win because of team shouldnt happen at all and losing 19 lp for this is fucking unfair

GrievousFetus2 votes

If you didn't win you didn't "carry" anything moron.

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If you didn't win you didn't "carry" anything moron.

this was just impossible to carry

GrievousFetus1 votes

So? not all of your games are, and statistically more games are going to be impossible for your opposing team to carry than for your team.

You're the only constant.

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So? not all of your games are, and statistically more games are going to be impossible for your opposing team to carry than for your team.

You're the only constant.

yeah keep licking rito feets for things doenst change let this shitload go on

GrievousFetus1 votes

I can guarantee you you'd still be bronze if you never had a single troll or afk in any of your games (and by extension, your opponents never did either).

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I can guarantee you you'd still be bronze if you never had a single troll or afk in any of your games (and by extension, your opponents never did either).

nope see my monthly tier graph and how i keep climb and then falling after because the matchmaking is rigged

GrievousFetus1 votes

Yeah sure fam, the match making is rigged against you. People who were diamonds and plats in previous seasons don't rise through the ranks meteorically until they get back to their own elos with 70%+ winrates right? The laws of averages and large numbers don't apply to you, even when they're in your favour right?

Just come to terms with the fact you're trash currently, improve your game, and start climbing.

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Yeah sure fam, the match making is rigged against you. People who were diamonds and plats in previous seasons don't rise through the ranks meteorically until they get back to their own elos with 70%+ winrates right? The laws of averages and large numbers don't apply to you, even when they're in your favour right?

Just come to terms with the fact you're trash currently, improve your game, and start climbing.

actually i just dont think smurfs played that much games in one season for being still able to climb fast coause at some point if your still in bronze the hell of 50% begin

GrievousFetus2 votes

if you are better than the other 9 players in your matches, your winrate will sit at above 50%, and you will climb.

If you are experiencing "forced 50/50" it means you are the exact same skill level of everyone else around you, and you are at the elo you belong at.

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if you are better than the other 9 players in your matches, your winrate will sit at above 50%, and you will climb.

If you are experiencing "forced 50/50" it means you are the exact same skill level of everyone else around you, and you are at the elo you belong at.

oh but i always get above 50% win rate before the lose streak start cause im paired with an average of 30% win rate on my team

GrievousFetus1 votes

there are 5 people on the other team. There are 4 people besides you on the enemy team. That means that statically the enemy team is 20% more likely to get a troll, AFK, or just all around bad player than your team is. You can't see the winrates of your opponents or if you can you dismiss them because they're unimportant, because of confirmation bias.

You are literally suggesting the law of averages don't apply to you, which means either you are some special cosmic starchild, or you think Riot is rigging your matches. you, a total nobody.

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there are 5 people on the other team. There are 4 people besides you on the enemy team. That means that statically the enemy team is 20% more likely to get a troll, AFK, or just all around bad player than your team is. You can't see the winrates of your opponents or if you can you dismiss them because they're unimportant, because of confirmation bias.

You are literally suggesting the law of averages don't apply to you, which means either you are some special cosmic starchild, or you think Riot is rigging your matches. you, a total nobody.

btw its obvious you are just repeating things you heard about how PERFECT the ranked system is, i always see the same kind of arguments in things like this, also, i dont think you can really brag about this since you dont even played 100 games in this season. On my side i have over 1000 games and i seen how hellish streaky this ranked system is. it dont even take improvement into account after some time.

GrievousFetus1 votes

You have OVER 1000 GAMES. And you're still bronze. And you're insisting you don't belong in bronze.

You understand that the law of averages dictate that huge discrepancies between skill level and rank occur when few games have been played, not a massive amount right? [zombie-brand-facepalm]

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You have OVER 1000 GAMES. And you're still bronze. And you're insisting you don't belong in bronze.

You understand that the law of averages dictate that huge discrepancies between skill level and rank occur when few games have been played, not a massive amount right? [zombie-brand-facepalm]

i climbed from bronze v to silver and returned to bronze v ( mostly because i wasnt really trying hard just after i reached silver, didnt think i could demote yet, but when i seen it i was afraid, and yeah lose streak. Also i wasnt at the skill level at this time but now im pretty sure that i am and now , now matter how the fuck i try i keep climbing pretty fast before being rewarded by a losing streak where i can't do shit and im almost always the highest gold on team)

GrievousFetus1 votes

"the system is out to get me and just me! literally physical laws of nature like averages which the system is built around don't apply to me!"

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"the system is out to get me and just me! literally physical laws of nature like averages which the system is built around don't apply to me!"

this is not what i am saying , im just pretty sure that my knowledge and mechanics are similar to higher elo, and that i shouldn't be in bronze anymore, i totally see obvious mistakes in my opponents play and i abuse them the most i can, i know how all stats and items work, i know the right way to win, i have a good basis on positioning, im able to get decent cs and trade. sure, i do mistakes too, but a lot of them are due to the randomness in bronze behavior and the anger that i feel being kept back on my climb by my clueless teammates who are like chickens running without head or flamer;trolls kids.

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actually i just dont think smurfs played that much games in one season for being still able to climb fast coause at some point if your still in bronze the hell of 50% begin

and yeah i bought 2 smurfs and on both i placed silver 3 so i think this mean im above the bronze level

GrievousFetus1 votes

you placed into silver 3 because the accounts you bought already had silver MMR. If you'd kept playing on them you'd have fallen back into bronze because you have a bronze skill level.

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you placed into silver 3 because the accounts you bought already had silver MMR. If you'd kept playing on them you'd have fallen back into bronze because you have a bronze skill level.

no these were fresh lvl 30 i gone 5/5 on both always winning at least the first vs high silver and gold on the second i won the 2 first ones, these were also high silver gold games but on the third i got paired with 3 fresh lvl 30 on my team vs a all silver team

GrievousFetus1 votes

"I got paired with 3 fresh level 30s on my team vs a all silver team"...on your own fresh level 30 smurf which you insist you played against silvers on, so I see absolutely zero reason to assume those level 30s on your team didn't have silver MMR.

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"I got paired with 3 fresh level 30s on my team vs a all silver team"...on your own fresh level 30 smurf which you insist you played against silvers on, so I see absolutely zero reason to assume those level 30s on your team didn't have silver MMR.

they never played ranked before and there is a obvious difference between real fresh lvl 30 and silver accounts who are used to ranked

Volks1 votes

How long have you been playing this game, The average player climbs at a moderate pace, understanding that its a CLIMB and not an escalator.

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How long have you been playing this game, The average player climbs at a moderate pace, understanding that its a CLIMB and not an escalator.

it's my first season of ranked but i really want to be able to climb to gold+ someday... :(

Boiled Triangles1 votes

I think you should find another game to play, or you will be sorely disappointed.

TheShinx1 votes

Seeing as you have a reply for everything and everyone giving you advice lets see if you understand this.

First off you had 32 kills. If you can't solo push a lane by yourself at that point and kill anyone who comes to you solo (Yi or other) then you aren't gonna carry a team solo. You should be able to at least 2v1 them.

Second, you aren't climbing because you lose more then you win. Hence the 49% win rate and more then 1400 games played in ranked this season. If you lose 2 in a row TAKE A BREAK! You aren't going to climb being tilted constantly. Play til you lose. Otherwise you end up throwing other games and other people's potential Promo's. Being tilted =/= Wins.

Lastly stop blaming your team. The only constant in your games is you like MANY in this thread have put it. You are the only one in the game who can win or lose it for yourself. If you really think you are so much better then everyone in that ELO then you should be hard carrying the games like you claim you are.

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Seeing as you have a reply for everything and everyone giving you advice lets see if you understand this.

First off you had 32 kills. If you can't solo push a lane by yourself at that point and kill anyone who comes to you solo (Yi or other) then you aren't gonna carry a team solo. You should be able to at least 2v1 them.

Second, you aren't climbing because you lose more then you win. Hence the 49% win rate and more then 1400 games played in ranked this season. If you lose 2 in a row TAKE A BREAK! You aren't going to climb being tilted constantly. Play til you lose. Otherwise you end up throwing other games and other people's potential Promo's. Being tilted =/= Wins.

Lastly stop blaming your team. The only constant in your games is you like MANY in this thread have put it. You are the only one in the game who can win or lose it for yourself. If you really think you are so much better then everyone in that ELO then you should be hard carrying the games like you claim you are.

well i would have splitpush if i were more tanky and if the enemy wasnt in the base already, even i f was fed i dont think i could 1v5 as diana vs a fed chogath and fed master yi

TheShinx1 votes

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well i would have splitpush if i were more tanky and if the enemy wasnt in the base already, even i f was fed i dont think i could 1v5 as diana vs a fed chogath and fed master yi

Fed Yi doesn't just shit on you. You have a shield, Knock up?, and a dash. You should be doing QERW Combo and he dies. Just my theory.

Rockem Sockm1 votes

Do yourself a favor and watch just one or two replays of your own games.

It is a painful experience because you will start realizing all the mistakes you made.

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Do yourself a favor and watch just one or two replays of your own games.

It is a painful experience because you will start realizing all the mistakes you made.

the problem is i don't know anymore what mistakes i do, when i die,it's usually because i sacrifice myself for the team, i miscalculate damage orihave no follow-up, i just know that the times i died to yi were because i messed my combo and aims

Boiled Triangles1 votes

Maybe you just aren't good at this game? I'll admit that sounds rude, but 1500 games in B4 is pretty crazy. Anybody who is good enough to get to ~S3 can carry themselves out of bronze, regardless of trolls.

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[{quoted}](name=Boiled Triangles,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=LbFn55xh,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2017-09-29T18:07:32.455+0000)

Maybe you just aren't good at this game? I'll admit that sounds rude, but 1500 games in B4 is pretty crazy. Anybody who is good enough to get to ~S3 can carry themselves out of bronze, regardless of trolls.

thats not all in bronze 4 i moved up pretty often and i still want to keep playing the game because i know i'm improving and i love the game, i guess it would just be easier next season since i think mmr move faster at each season start

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