I'm a support main, and I've given up trying to have fun

RookPusher··6 votes·1,750 views

I need some carry champs. I would love your feedback.

Based on the two breakdowns of the support role (mage and tank) I think these are solid choices based on the meta and my own personal preference (i.e. eliminating the champs I suck with). In no particular order

Mage:

  • Bard
  • Zilean
  • Nami

Tank:

  • Braum
  • Nautilus
  • Thresh

Heretofore, I've been using Maokai, who I love but at this point I need a champ to dummy-proof the bot lane. It's sad that I'll have to retire him. Also, I don't refuse to play Soraka, Sona, or Janna, but I find them to be almost too faceroll? I like a challenge as well. And feedback you can provide is greatly appreciated.

57 Comments

ZapMyHeart1 votes

Mmm, have you looked into the more non-traditional supports such as Morgana, Zyra, Lux, Brand, and Annie?

While they may be squishier, they do provide a challenge and can "carry" due to their damage (provided you decide to build them AP).

RookPusher1 votes

What's funny is I assume those _are _traditional supports.

I'll be honest, I typically ban Morgana because she's such an insane play-maker but I'm often left going tank because no one else on my team has.

ZapMyHeart4 votes

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What's funny is I assume those _are _traditional supports.

I'll be honest, I typically ban Morgana because she's such an insane play-maker but I'm often left going tank because no one else on my team has.

It's just the "standard" at the moment. But those are not "traditional" supports, as they originate from mid lane. Back in the day, if you dared take an AP mage into bot lane, you were considered trolling. It was Zyra that paved the way for this current trend.

Give Morgana a try. if you like She wrecks bot lane pretty hard.

Chamuel851 votes

Bard is insanely fun. However, he won't really dummy proof a lane. However, he can have some amazing high moments / ganks with his Q, E, and/or R.

I love Thresh. He's pretty solid especially in lane. Amazing pick potential (Q + E) and gank assistance (his W). His downside is that getting CS using Relic shield is a pain in the butt since he counts as ranged, so the melee execute of the item will not assist you. You have to max E first because that will help out a ton.

Braum and Nautilus are fairly insane as well. Leona is too risky since she has nothing to do (besides her ultimate) from ranged. Nautilus' engage at least only brings you halfway to the target and can be used on terrain to escape. Leona is all in.

Morgana is another reliable choice.

SOLOQSUPERHERO1 votes

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Also, I don't refuse to play Soraka, Sona, or Janna, but I find them to be almost too faceroll? I like a challenge as well. And feedback you can provide is greatly appreciated.

These three have a pretty low skill floor but their skill ceiling isn't anything to scoff at. Janna especially has a pretty fair amount of outplay potential in certain circumstances.

You should take a peak at Leona, she's very good in certain circumstances, though not exactly meta she has a lot of control over a game, especially when she's in the lead.

Also take a peak at Zyra. She's very strong right now and just outputs massive amounts of damage. It's hard to stay safe in some matchups but in others its a very good reward.

Sion support has had a fair amount of popularity; i don't play him but worth looking into.

RookPusher1 votes

Any thoughts on Zilean? I checked Champ.gg and a week or 2 ago he was #3, now he's #5. Not sure what happened.

zlumpy1 votes

Zil will almost always be good. A giant aoe stun paired with awesome utility means he can be played a lot of different ways and still be viable.

SOLOQSUPERHERO1 votes

So, personally. I like him better as a mid laner than a support.

His lane phase isn't great in the support role and can get bullied hard without the right match up. I like him a lot vs. Hecarim but beyond that i feel like there are other people that do his job more effectively.

You're essentially trading great reliable easy peel from someone like a janna for that peel to maybe not really need to happen with Zil Ult. I personally would rather the reliable peel as i feel it's more impactful.

You should also judge based on how you feel you do with a champion for whether they are good or not. For example, in I think it was S2/S3 I used to play Zyra mid all the time even though she wasn't considered to be that good at the time in most roles. I did well on her.

Aptest1 votes

he seems boring to me.

Angry Monster1 votes

worry about challenge when you get plat plus. A bronze level player should not worry about how face roll anything is.

RookPusher3 votes

With respect, that seems a bit condescending. I've found the major difference between Bronze and Platinum is decision making, not skill in the 10 seconds of champ combat.

Angry Monster1 votes

You can think that all you want but the reality is that you are wrong.

I was so condescending that i made it ranks that i am not apart of. Man i am a jerk.

You are literally bottom of the barrel, you are terrible at everything in the game. IF something seems face roll, it is probably actually good and efficient; unlike mao and naut bot lane.

Decision making in a 5 secound fight is important. It allows you to understand what to do in a fight quickly.

Clutch Pants7 votes

Then you use a face roll champ get a high rank and are forced to play face roll champs because you don't know anything else. Some people don't enjoy being one tricks.

And rookpusher was right with respect to the biggest difference between bronze and plat players. yes plat players are better in both but the bigger difference is definitely the general decision making (where and when to ward for example.).

Another big difference with bronze and plat isn't just who you're facing but who's on your team. A Soraka on your team means more to a plat adc than a bronze one. Most bronze adc's don't get how much healing you can output or your zoning potential.

And your third line was simply rude and unnecessary, bronzes know that that's the lowest division lol.

But Rookpusher you should definitely try Leona. She's my highest rank right now and for support I'd say she's in the top 3 most fun supports (sniping with her ult is hella fun).

Angry Monster2 votes

funny all i see are bronze players who agree with each other.

And your third line was simply rude and unnecessary, bronzes know that that's the lowest division lol.

but then you guys try and argue what you know and how good you are. One has to go admitting you are bad or arguing about things you have no clue about.

Plenty of players get out of bronze on pure mechanics. Decision making is not your guys only weakness. Although i could boil everything in the game to decision making as a core element.

I love post like these cause they are completely contradictory to the players that post after making the mentality switch and actually climbing.

Stop thinking you are good, stop thinking you are better than a bronze, stop thinking things are below/beneath you.

When you decide to improve your self and look for optimal play styles you will improve.

Saying X champ is face roll is a joke, everything in bronze can face roll.

RookPusher4 votes

Maybe, but I'm miles ahead of you in manners, life experience, and people skills, but you didn't listen to me or Clutch when we told you that you were an uncivilized jerk. So, I mean, aren't you also talking about things you don't understand?

It's human nature. The difference here is that it isn't a mystery, lost in the fog of war, as to why I'm in Bronze. I'll climb out eventually. But even you can admit that's harder as a support main than the other roles. That's just logical. Which is also how I know why I'm in Bronze and others aren't. Because it's not some magical quintessence that some have and some don't, it's largely tactical.

But by all means, continue to have these absolutely miserable interactions with people. Console yourself with that rank of yours.

Angry Monster1 votes

you continue to talk about things that you have 0 context on. You do not know me or my life, so you can not say what my life experiences are. You are so much better than me but attack my life when i stuck to the game,

You have proven that you are so much better than me, KAPPA

I am blunt cause reality tends to be lost in flowery words and meaningless phrases. Continue to delude your self, i will deal with the truth and reality. Running away from honest and realistic critiques (taken from your own opening comments) defines who you really are.

A coward and a fool.

RookPusher3 votes

You tell yourself that you see things as they really are, and that everyone else can't handle it - that's why they're so hostile to you. But it's not the case.

You want to be a fictional character. That's why you say things like "I am blunt cause reality tends to be lost in flowery words and meaningless phrases." You want to be an anti-hero. You want to be loved but the worlds hurt you too much. So you pretend to be jaded. I used to be you, friend.

I'm guessing you're not old enough to be actually jaded. What happened? Unlucky in love?

All I can tell you is that it gets easier. Love, anyway. But the jaded thing is put into context when you watch family die slowly, so you see the real cruelty that exists in petty people. I wish you all the best out there. Trust me, man. It gets easier.

Anytime you want to group, look me up. I'm a support main, and I'm here to help.

Angry Monster1 votes

You want to be a fictional character. That's why you say things like "I am blunt cause reality tends to be lost in flowery words and meaningless phrases." You want to be an anti-hero. You want to be loved but the worlds hurt you too much. So you pretend to be jaded. I used to be you, friend.

Or i am really the way i say i am... make all the wild assumptions you want (without justification)

I'm guessing you're not old enough to be actually jaded. What happened? Unlucky in love?

again

make all the wild assumptions you want (without justification)

You pretend to way to much; You also try to justify your self and beliefs way to hard. All you do is take wild stabs at someones personal life hoping to hit the nail on the head. You can not even claim that you are pulling from my posts.

sad and pathetic

RookPusher1 votes

All the signs keep adding up. Your name, your tone, your hypocrisy - "you don't know me" followed by "A coward and a fool" & "sad and pathetic." You're an open book.

Angry Monster1 votes

only in your small little world...

o wait this is where i am supposed to break down and admit that you are right and ask you to be my friend? /s

you are one crazy person. You have issues beyond bronze 5 in rank.

The Fuzzy 0ne3 votes

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Maybe, but I'm miles ahead of you in manners, life experience, and people skills, but you didn't listen to me or Clutch when we told you that you were an uncivilized jerk. So, I mean, aren't you also talking about things you don't understand?

It's human nature. The difference here is that it isn't a mystery, lost in the fog of war, as to why I'm in Bronze. I'll climb out eventually. But even you can admit that's harder as a support main than the other roles. That's just logical. Which is also how I know why I'm in Bronze and others aren't. Because it's not some magical quintessence that some have and some don't, it's largely tactical.

But by all means, continue to have these absolutely miserable interactions with people. Console yourself with that rank of yours.

Keep trucking friend! As a fellow support I know how hard the climb is! I climbed out from Bronze 5 and now I'm Silver 1, you can do it :) Just find champs that you truly enjoy playing and you'll make it out and have fun along the way

The Fuzzy 0ne1 votes

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funny all i see are bronze players who agree with each other.

but then you guys try and argue what you know and how good you are. One has to go admitting you are bad or arguing about things you have no clue about.

Plenty of players get out of bronze on pure mechanics. Decision making is not your guys only weakness. Although i could boil everything in the game to decision making as a core element.

I love post like these cause they are completely contradictory to the players that post after making the mentality switch and actually climbing.

Stop thinking you are good, stop thinking you are better than a bronze, stop thinking things are below/beneath you.

When you decide to improve your self and look for optimal play styles you will improve.

Saying X champ is face roll is a joke, everything in bronze can face roll.

Chill dude, at the end of the day it's just a game and it's more important to have fun which is what this person is trying to get at. Even at Gold level you're not a pro at the game and only a small amount of talented and lucky people will be. Stop the Bronze bashing man, it's not cool

Angry Monster1 votes

more bronze talk and attitude

Gold is not luck... it is sad that you think it is.

The Fuzzy 0ne2 votes

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more bronze talk and attitude

Gold is not luck... it is sad that you think it is.

You sir, are the one with the "bronze" attitude, and I never said it was, I said getting to pro and by luck I was inferring that to be selected to play on a team as a pro. And I'm not bronze anymore, but I was. Once I get back to Gold promos I should be there too.

Strictly speaking though anyone below diamond truly knows nothing about this game.

BladeSteel1 votes

Like plat is that much better than bronze LOL Every true plat + player says plat isn't that different from bronze. It isn't that different until you get to diamond

Frnak1 votes

What?

They are miles apart. Maybe egotistical assholes say that to feel better about themselves. "Im bronz but im jus as gud as plat guy ovr there yeh im 2gud".

Oookey dokey then.

I've always quit after getting gold rewards every season except the one I missed.

I decided to push a little bit more and I'm sitting in Plat4. It's a lot, lot more boring the higher you go because there's far less mistakes to monopolize on.

Plat 5 is a nightmare because all of the boosted people sinking back to gold/silver/bronze have to wait until their MMR is equivalent to Gold5 before being demoted. After that, it's a bit more consistent.

BladeSteel1 votes

Im not talking about bronze players saying "im jus as gud as plat guy" im talking about plat 1 - challenger players saying plat isn't that different from bronze.

Frnak1 votes

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Im not talking about bronze players saying "im jus as gud as plat guy" im talking about plat 1 - challenger players saying plat isn't that different from bronze.

I've seen Bronze a few times.

It's literally easier than bots.

Plat is far different than bronze. Anyone saying otherwise is lying through their teeth.

Stephenizgod1 votes

Morgana is a pretty good Support specially against CC heavy team as she can make a carry immune to CC for a short period of time. She also has great catch potential, if she lands a Q then chances are very high that person will die in a teamfight.

Thresh is one of the best Supports at carrying along with Bard, they both have an amazing amount of presence in lane. If you are not constantly worried about what the Thresh and Bard will do, they are playing them wrong.

Leona is a good tank Support, her ability to lock down multiple people is super helpful specially when combined with ADC's who have high damage like Jhin, Ashe, or Twitch. She builds very tanky as she is jumping into the enemy and her built in shield makes it hard to kill her.

Janna is one of my all time favorite Supports, however she is very squishy so if you get caught out you are most likely going to die. She is great at peeling, probably the best at it, and is also capable of engaging should she land a Tornado. However due to her innate annoyingness to play against, most of the time she is focused in teamfights.

Karma is gaining a lot of popularity as of late, she has annoyingly strong poke along with an incredibly useful shield that also gives movement speed. She has built in sustain and CC in one ability and is capable of 1v1ing most champions early game, even with Support items.

Or you could go a Mage Support like Annie, Brand, or Vel'koz and support your ADC by murdering the enemies. Vel'koz is probably my personal favorite of the 3 as his abilities don't cost much mana with relatively low cool-downs and as long as you are hitting them, his damage is insane.

Friendly Ram1 votes

Ok some carry supports would be shen and bard. You can't really dummy proof bot lane so if you don't have an adc(or they are suicidal) just help out the other lanes with these two.

GULAG 4 U1 votes

Don't play support. If you can't deal damage and your team is bad, then paying support is... not good. :/

The Fuzzy 0ne1 votes

I know how you feel... As a support main myself I've found the "typical" supports to be fairly bland and tbh they make me wanna fall asleep during the game I'm playing.

Mage wise have you tried Lulu, AP nunu, or brand?

Tank wise (what I also end up taking since my team ends up being all squish otherwise), have you tried Taric, Shen or even amumu?

RookPusher1 votes

So I love Shen, but man does he require an ADC who's awake. I've been able to smash some games with him, but he, like Nunu, seems to operate in a quasi-tank position. I love Nunu, but he also requires people to be awake.

I'm against Brand,

The Fuzzy 0ne1 votes

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So I love Shen, but man does he require an ADC who's awake. I've been able to smash some games with him, but he, like Nunu, seems to operate in a quasi-tank position. I love Nunu, but he also requires people to be awake.

I'm against Brand,

I find Shen especially needs to be paired with a decent ADC, just because of the need to use your ult elsewhere on the map... A lot of ADCs will try to play out the 1v2 instead of playing safe... then blame you. That's kinda why I stopped playing Shen support tbh. It was too depressing. But hey, all you need to do is hit that mute button and play to your heart's content :)

Nunu I find is best played under the assumption that your ADC is a bot and asleep at the wheel... Relic shield/consume or ice blast to start and prock your passive up for that free poke and annoying slows. I'm not gonna lie, I build almost a straight AP nunu in support cuz I love making surprise ults out of bushes and watching the enemy hp disappear XD

RookPusher1 votes

My problem with his passive is its antithetical to his play style. I roam back and forth, which essentially zones the enemy, then poke when I can. If my ADC has a vrain, theyll farm. If not they try and go in with me.

What's your build on AP Nunu? And do you take Banner of Command?

The Fuzzy 0ne1 votes

It depends on the game... Last game I played him I ran eye of the equinox, lucidity boots, morrello's, visage, deathcap and was building a luden's... Tbh, it doesn't quite matter what you build on him as long as you can hit the 45% cdr. The supp item is a must for me just cuz I like vision, lucidity boots I find are also a must because of their passive. I usually like visage cuz it buffs the healing off the support item for allies as well as for you on your q, but if say someone fed an ap champ, or if we need the pushing power, then I would go banner instead. Protobelt can also be a fun build :P

As for his passive... I usually get it up by some casual autos on the more beefy minions, and if you kill one by accident, well you got relics ;)

Earl Eulrich1 votes

if you want to carry as a support try zyra, brand or vel koz...for a challenge maybe swain or malz.

Calabok1 votes

Play Annie,

Dryditch1 votes

Leona.

Hauling Ashe1 votes

Praise the sun!

Sometimes I honestly have more fun playing Leona than my adc mains. She is a tank but if you know how to handle her she can get kills like a bitch.

Ruff6261 votes

Veigar is the most fun you can have on a support.

Baby Ghoul1 votes

I'm a support main, Silver 3 currently, and I main Soraka.

I don't think she's face roll, nor is Janna. Disengages and sustain are not fully appreciated in Bronze to Silver.

While I agree laning phase isn't anything special. Often times you'll end up supporting the cowardly lion as Soraka, and and that's not going to do your lane any good. ADCs in Bronze to Silver usually only respond to zoning. They don't understand that your W sustain counters poke, they need to see that they have a safe space to farm. So you're going to need to learn how to zone with her, which isn't the easiest thing to do especially if you do get counter picked.

Not only that, but almost everything is trying to kill you which is a big change from playing most supports. Usually you're only above tanks on the hit list. However that's how you know you're doing your job. I notice I need to pay so much more attention to my cooldowns on items and spells when I'm Soraka because people do get messy when they start to lose to a Soraka. They will risk death just to kill you.

I really only use her ult for clutch heals in areas that I'm not near, so if I see top getting ganked. Your timing needs to be right. Too soon your heal doesn't mean that much, too late and they die. This is where it's good to have exceptional map awareness. I usually pay close attention to that fight to see if I need to ult while still keeping my presence in lane. When you're participating in fights it's the same thing. You need to keep yourself alive and out of harm's way, but also figure out where your resources need to go. Anything wasted is painful after your build spike until late game build, which you rarely reach as support.

Another thing is timing your E, and I think this is especially crucial for team fights. It's also your only form of hard CC. Sometimes you can land a nice combo EQ combo outside of team fights as well. It's also very handy for when someone TP's near you because you can easily root them, sadly this happens a lot in Silver.

I really love champions that have to manage their resources carefully and plan accordingly. It's almost like you have a degree of control over the game. I've always preferred those champions to ones that just do straight up damage.

Another support I like, but have never learned to play, is Lulu. I think she's really powerful in the right hands, and I have a lot of respect for people that play Lulu. I know in higher ELO her and Janna are despised because fights are hard to come by, and their kits are designed around disengaging. I think it's genius though.

RookPusher1 votes

I need to get past my own hang-ups. I don't like playing female characters generally because in WoW so many scum bags did it to get free stuff that I resist the option.

My other major problems are: I typically have to go tank because top and jungle almost never do, and when the top 5 support champs are all mages, that suggests to me I should probably dodge the game. I also love taking objectives which, I find, to be easier as a mage.

ZapMyHeart1 votes

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I need to get past my own hang-ups. I don't like playing female characters generally because in WoW so many scum bags did it to get free stuff that I resist the option.

My other major problems are: I typically have to go tank because top and jungle almost never do, and when the top 5 support champs are all mages, that suggests to me I should probably dodge the game. I also love taking objectives which, I find, to be easier as a mage.

You can go super challenging and do Malzahar or Ziggs support.

Or if you really want someone tanky: Blitzcrank , Trundle , Chogath , or Rammus .

The former 2 are squishy and considered troll picks by the community, but if you play them right, they provide a good amount of support.

Finally, if all else fails, just become outrageously fabulousTaric

SwiftKitten881 votes

my supports are Blitzcrank Lux andMorgana

although most of the time i go Morgana because to pick effectively Blitzcrank or Lux you really need to know who their support is where as you can pick Morgana into ANYTHING

Blazingflares1 votes

Thresh is pretty fun if you want to provide lots of utility. Lots of good CC, and the lantern (when done right, and if they pick it up) can be an amazing escape or engage tool.

I also suggest Vel'Koz as a damaging mage support. If you land 'em, he can deal pretty good damage from afar with his Q, and his damage stays consistent late game. If paired with certain other champions (like Orianna, for example) you can deal a ton of damage with you abilities (ex: Ori ult into ur E > W > R, maybe throw a Q in earlier for some extra poke.)

Not the best at suggesting things, or explaining why I suggest them for that matter, but they are pretty fun, yeah?

Hyperiön1 votes

Just play blitzcrank. He is super fun when you see the enemy team rage as you hook them xD

Kahl Drogo981 votes

I suggest support Fiddlesticks aka: supportlesticks. I have found that he works fairly well in the support role

RookPusher1 votes

Thanks for the necro

DemainaNyx1 votes

Tank Veigar is fun if you want to be kinda troll. You build tanky, but because of your passive, you get free AP damage, so no one kills you and you do a ton of damage. All you have to do is poke well in lane and you'll be fine.

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