can we nerf pyke already?

Rexxiee··14 votes·3,630 views

The champ makes immobile champs pretty much unplayable, 60% ms steroid on a rank 1 ability that comes with stealth, a spamamble dash + a hook lol, its blitzcrank on steroids.

Not even mentiong on how broken his passive is, to the point where if cant 100-0 him in a cc duration in a all in you might aswell not even hit him as he gains all his health back.

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Dope Solo4 votes

The R is a little overpowered. Hit box and reset needs a slight nerf.

Illabethe3 votes

Sorry, but he is balanced. His damage output is generally always low..... even lower than a Blitzcrank. In other words, most of the time..... he's just punishing you for underestimating his ALLIES.

And it's not hard to get more than 2301 HP damage on him in most fights.... especially in the true damage meta..... and that's at level 18. Low levels much less HP to burn.

He literally cannot stay in a fight. He has to in - out, or he's dead. No other champ has to deal with this paranoia all the time, except Janna and Soraka (champs that serve a different purpose altogether, and don't have enough self damage in their kits).

If you want some suggestions on champs that make his life miserable:

Aatrox Ahri Akali Amumu Annie Anivia Braum Camille Diana Galio Kayn Katarina Leblanc Leona Lissandra Lux Malphite MasterYi Pantheon Quinn Rammus Renekton Tryndamere Soraka MonkeyKing XinZhao Yasuo

Some are direct counters that make his R unuseable in all situations. (Aatrox Anivia Tryndamere Kayn ) Some Heal people out of death or possibly root him for 2-3 seconds.(Soraka Braum ) Some are just outright tanks who can taunt/keep up with him. (Leona Amumu Malphite Rammus ) Others have skills you can't escape in time (Katarina Leblanc Ahri Akali ) Others outrun him (MasterYi Diana ) Some have 1 second burst combos which eliminate any chance of getting near them, pulling them, etc (Annie Lissandra Pantheon Renekton MonkeyKing )

And you're right. if you can't kill him, focus someone else. Or, making him retreat long enough for you to kill someone else. Pyke alone can't defend a base if you wipe out his team.

He's gated by both his damage output and his HP. That's where his balance is. Try Pyking vs a fed Diana ..... her cooldowns are so low that any time you try to escape, as soon as you are "almost" outside of her vision, she Q's you again and R's again. And that's with 45% CDR builds, not 40% ones. I also run Phase rush, so I generally have a MUCH larger gain on escaping than other builds.

I'm not saying Pyke can't exist vs these champions. Many have work-arounds if you are a good player. But.... they generally make Pyke dependent on his team, rather than his team being dependent on HIM. And that's where Pyke loses, and why he's a sub 50% champ.

EltonpHb1 votes

Amen, but those noobs dont know how to play lol

Da Pi Guy 32 votes

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Sorry, but he is balanced. His damage output is generally always low..... even lower than a Blitzcrank. In other words, most of the time..... he's just punishing you for underestimating his ALLIES.

And it's not hard to get more than 2301 HP damage on him in most fights.... especially in the true damage meta..... and that's at level 18. Low levels much less HP to burn.

He literally cannot stay in a fight. He has to in - out, or he's dead. No other champ has to deal with this paranoia all the time, except Janna and Soraka (champs that serve a different purpose altogether, and don't have enough self damage in their kits).

If you want some suggestions on champs that make his life miserable:

Aatrox Ahri Akali Amumu Annie Anivia Braum Camille Diana Galio Kayn Katarina Leblanc Leona Lissandra Lux Malphite MasterYi Pantheon Quinn Rammus Renekton Tryndamere Soraka MonkeyKing XinZhao Yasuo

Some are direct counters that make his R unuseable in all situations. (Aatrox Anivia Tryndamere Kayn ) Some Heal people out of death or possibly root him for 2-3 seconds.(Soraka Braum ) Some are just outright tanks who can taunt/keep up with him. (Leona Amumu Malphite Rammus ) Others have skills you can't escape in time (Katarina Leblanc Ahri Akali ) Others outrun him (MasterYi Diana ) Some have 1 second burst combos which eliminate any chance of getting near them, pulling them, etc (Annie Lissandra Pantheon Renekton MonkeyKing )

And you're right. if you can't kill him, focus someone else. Or, making him retreat long enough for you to kill someone else. Pyke alone can't defend a base if you wipe out his team.

He's gated by both his damage output and his HP. That's where his balance is. Try Pyking vs a fed Diana ..... her cooldowns are so low that any time you try to escape, as soon as you are "almost" outside of her vision, she Q's you again and R's again. And that's with 45% CDR builds, not 40% ones. I also run Phase rush, so I generally have a MUCH larger gain on escaping than other builds.

I'm not saying Pyke can't exist vs these champions. Many have work-arounds if you are a good player. But.... they generally make Pyke dependent on his team, rather than his team being dependent on HIM. And that's where Pyke loses, and why he's a sub 50% champ.

Calling bullshit because a full build zed can't do shit against him

UnboundHades2 votes

pyke e is basically impossible to land before any ms items without hitting q unless you just sit still and let him his w is a speed up that gets slower over time so its not a constant 60% his q actually requires you to hold the button for it to hook so you have more time to react to it than a blitz,naut,or thresh q

meowwow71 votes

and his passive just punishes lack of vision

Crashthepup6 votes

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and his passive just punishes lack of vision

Its not a lack of vision, its him running to tower for a few seconds to heal then coming back

hadesflames4 votes

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and his passive just punishes lack of vision

Holy fuck you're stupid. All he has to do is press w to gain all his hp back.

Shukr4n1 votes

Pick the right supp and.he.feed

EltonpHb1 votes

Just 3 words. Learn To Play (L2P)

If you say he is OP just pick him against me in 1v1 fight top. If you win me i let you 50€. All people who say he is OP is cause they just don't know how to play.

Att: Diamond I smurf.

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