edit: just saw the link for your game: you were support blitz with only an iceborn for armor and 900hp from the support fotm+locked, that'S by no means tanky vs any 4 item adc.
Same with your lee, a deadmen's and a ruby crystal do not grant any meaningfull tankiness at that point of the game. Just as i suspected, you guys disrespected jhin because he went 0-4, didn't bother to get armor and got wrecked by a flatpen built that excelss at punishing low armor targets.
Also, you guys had an adc bard and no proper aoe cc, and you probably comitted to full scale teamfights with a teamcomp that just sucks hard for teamfights later on.
Your comp is good at kiteing and createing picks, but i'm 100% confident it wasn't executed that way later in the game.
Also, e ignites and no exhausts in the team, that also means you snowball early with the higher killpresure from ignite, but have a harder time in teamfights cause you can't shut down the adc damage with exhaust.
On top of that you have 3 ranged damage dealers and two melees that relay on skillshots vs a braum..
Their teamcomp was bound to crush your's in proper teamfights unless you have a massive goldlead on them.
if that was true, it should have been easily possible for you to grab him and your team to murder him befor he gets in range for any AAs.
He probably got cought alot in lane and the earlygame, but his positioning in teamfights probably was decent enough.
Also, going by your matchhistory, rumble and ekko carried them through the early-mid, and it was mostly your lee, a champ that falls of hard later on, that got the kills early.
And even then, the oppsing team had a gold lead past 15 min that just kept increaseing whil haveing a superior teamfighting comp vs a snowball focused comb, so they started getting ahead befor jhin got his first kill already.
The game was mostly won in champselect, and rumble was the main reason they got rolling. Once they got rolling, jhin took over, but at that time they were alread ahead 6k of your team.
This is not korean jhin beeing op, but you guys plaing a bad teamcomp, getting out picked and disrespecting some one cause he died in the early.
You just use jhin as a scapegoat for your loss as he did the most damage and got the most kills. But that's what the adc is there for, as soon as the fights go well for a team, it's usually the adc who can cleanup the kills and bring the damage in the lategame while the rest enables him to do so.
Once again, most of the points you made are just regurgitating things I myself and others have already said. We had a poor comp. It was adc bard top (not bot). We had an adc ezreal who didn't do much after his first couple kills, and a karma mid. Lee wasn't the only one getting kills or ahead either, our lane was ahead, mid was ahead, and top was ahead, as was Jungle...
I wasn't expecting our teamfight to be good vs theirs when I saw the comps, nor did we attempt to 5v5 like you said. Nor did we "disrespect" Jhin like you keep saying. He walked into lane 0-4, and killed Ezreal, then killed me... me building more armor at this early point wouldn't have even been possible, let alone would it have changed much.
I even said I would have built more armor, ya know like...instead of Iceborns, had I known Jhin was going to miraculously rape our entire team in a way no Jhin has ever before, given the circumstance, with the usual crit build he normally goes. That's not disrespect, that's a lack of a knowing that a build like what he used even exists if anything, let alone can suddenly stomp so hard, while that far behind, at that particular point in the game. Since he CAN'T and has NEVER done that with his normal build, that's the point...
Even if I did know it exists, and we did our best to avoid the sudden 0-4 stomp out of nowhere. That doesn't make it any less stupid, what he pulled completely out of his ass. I UNDERSTAND that it's an early game build, with lots of pen, and strong power spikes. That doesn't mean it's not BS lol.
Thanks for the tips on ignite vs exhaust, I'm quite well aware of the difference, and for what reasons they're each used.
I did also grab the out of position Jhin mid-late game, quite a few times... but it didn't matter cus that would just make it easier for him to 1 shot someone, then Rumble comes in and cleans up whoever else is around.
This is not me using Jhin as a scapegoat, as I've already accepted everything else you said, before you even said it. Our team was ahead, we DID have a large lead... and Jhin practically singledhandedly carried them out of it.
Rumble, Ekko, and Morde wouldn't have done crap most of the game if Jhin hadn't set up a lot of their kills for them - especially Rumble.
I didn't make this as a QQ thread for one particular match, and cry for people to agree with me that we should have won or some nonsense. I made it to point out how broken I think a build is in general, and see if others have gone against it/have the same issue with it. And I'm clearly not alone in thinking this.
Even if we DID disrespect him, plan our comp poorly, make tons of mistakes whatever... None of that changes, how ridiculous and stupid the build was. And how MUCH it changed everything for them, basically by itself. NOT simply Jhin being Jhin alone.
translate to basically 1 shotting people...
, And the spike that allowed him to kill ez and start rolling was the early-midgame spike of the flat-pen built.
And by running full pen runes, that spike is massive at the cost of the early laneing phase.
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