QSS =/= Counterplay

Better Jungler·Dec 4, 2015·5 votes·855 views

Malzahar thread going on right now, people are claiming the way to counterplay against him is QSS

There should not be a champion in the game that you need to build a specific item to survive against. It takes up an item spot, and if you're an adc, or a mid laner, even a jungler, you shouldnt have to sacrifice a full item just to deal with one champ, because without it, he will hold you in place, and suck the ever living shit out of you until you die, or the enemy team tramples you.

same with yasuo and Illiao, people are saying "just play XXX"

Why should i have to play a specific champion to just survive against my opponent, shouldnt skill be taken into account, instead of offering bullshit "counterplay" why dont they just nerf the champ thats broken.

14 Comments

Pasta Help DeskDec 4, 20153 votes

So what you are saying is, you do not have the skills to adapt your build in game when facing a certain champ? I guess you have no skills, so I wouldn't worry about malz until you come up with some.

Mecha MaIphiteDec 4, 20153 votes

If you get hard countered because you first picked TF or some shit, and never even bothered to adjust your build, then you don't get to whine.

AbyssphereDec 4, 20152 votes

I mean, it's not 'counterplay' but you have to admit that QSS, whether unfortunate to buy or not, counters him very hard. And on ADCs/AD bruisers it's a good pickup because Merc Scim is great.

But I don't get why everyone defaults to "get Merc Scim" as if there's no other way to deal with a channeled ability. Team fight, let him ult, get someone to interrupt it instantly because almost everyone can. Boom, Malz has been counterplayed.

Edyr420Dec 4, 20151 votes

a good malzahar can play around qss.

EcchiOtakuTMDec 4, 20151 votes

So it's not like it's a strategy game so I guess buying a specific item to counter alot of champions isn't counterplay in the least....

Yasuo is too easy to counterplay

And illaoi's entire design flaw is how easy she is to exploit flaws on.

Illaoi design idea and lore are amazing but just doesn't work vs life players who know to look for her weakness and abuse them.

TheCeeJayDec 4, 20151 votes

DrMundo item 3123 would like a word.

ZalieriDec 4, 20151 votes

have the support build a item 3222 tank gets an item 3105 ? He really isn't that op. Don't get caught alone?

EndlessSorcererDec 4, 20151 votes

Mikael's Crucible doesn't remove suppressions.

ZalieriDec 4, 20151 votes

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Mikael's Crucible doesn't remove suppressions.

not for the cleanse effect, but for the health and brief shield

Sir YamazukiDec 4, 20151 votes

Don't bother, he's an immobile mage with an average pick rate so it automatically makes him weak according to the people here.

BluePolarizerDec 4, 20151 votes

Why have items then?

GoosetardDec 4, 20151 votes

I agree with you that you shouldn't have to play a specific champion just to survive against another. That's poor game design and contrary to what Riot has intended to do with broadening champion diversity/strategy and lowering the number of games decided in pick/ban. That being said, the games will always be asymmetrical because the two teams will have different champions, and it's part of what makes League fun.

The reason there ARE items and that you have to select which ones to buy is so that you can help your champion adapt to the situation. The whole reason for the marksman update is that Riot doesn't want every marksman build to be the same because it removes this element of strategy.

TL/DR qss IS counterplay because itemization IS central to play AND counterplay.

4thHorsmanDec 4, 20151 votes

Actually a better counter to Malzahar is teamwork. If he is hit with any hard CC or a silence while using his ult it will cancel it. So yes it may be difficult to lane against him until team fights start, but once that happens you can negate his ult by working together. And honestly, with how easily he can be fended off mid-late game when you are team fighting, he SHOULD be harder to lane against, it wouldn't be fair or balanced to have a champ not have a strong laning phase AND be able to lose their ult just by CC.