Can someone explain to me how LP amount is determined?..

USG Failsawce··3 votes·3,027 views

I thought it was based on wins in a row, or more wins than losses.. but I'm on a 10 game win streak right now and my LP gains are actually going down....

The account I'm playing on only has 19 Win and 13 losses, still more wins than losses.. im Silver 2 atm, and my previous game gave me +19, but this last one I won gave me +17... what gives??

Is it based on something else besides wins or something?

7 Comments

Rester1 votes

As far as I know it's based on MMR relative to your ranking and whether the system determines you should/shouldnt be there. But I could be talking out of my ass too.

USG Failsawce1 votes

ok but my op.gg says my mmr is 1600 and way higher than normal for silver 2 lol

why would my mmr be low if my winrate is like 60%+??

Average Gerg1 votes

LP gains are based on your hidden MMR and the average MMR for other players at your current rank.

If you're gaining less than 20 LP that's a good sign that you're at a lower MMR than most players in Silver 2. Losing games while at 0 LP without demoting are the worst for your MMR and LP gains. As your MMR decreases, but your rank remains unchanged.

One way to repair this is by earning reduced LP, which will eventually even out, but takes much longer than it takes to start gaining less LP. The counterpart to losing at 0 would be winning straight through your promos. This gives you a free win where your rank didn't increase, but your MMR did.

Another option to repair your LP gains is to win up to like 90~ LP, then dodge down to around 15 LP, climb back, and rinse and repeat as much as you like, but then of course you're not moving on the ladder at all.

USG Failsawce1 votes

ok i honestly dont understand this at all.. ive won waaay more games than ive lost.. so why would my mmr be lower than my rank? my op.gg even says my mmr is at 1600/gold 3 and "much higher than normal for silver 2".. but obviously that's just an mmr estimate, and not my actual mmr...

why would my mmr be lower if im winning tons of games in a row and more wins than losses?.. or is mmr itself determined by something other than wins??

Average Gerg1 votes

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ok i honestly dont understand this at all.. ive won waaay more games than ive lost.. so why would my mmr be lower than my rank? my op.gg even says my mmr is at 1600/gold 3 and "much higher than normal for silver 2".. but obviously that's just an mmr estimate, and not my actual mmr...

why would my mmr be lower if im winning tons of games in a row and more wins than losses?.. or is mmr itself determined by something other than wins??

So first off, Op.GG can be wildly incorrect very often. LP gains is always a better guide.

And again, your LP gains are based on your MMR and MMR of other players at your rank. So say you start at 1000 MMR at Gold IV 0 LP and average MMR for Gold IV 0 LP is 1025. Say you win 5 games and your hidden MMR goes up 50 and your LP goes up to 85 or 17 per game.

Now your MMR is at 1050, but you're not being compared against Gold IV 0LP, but Gold IV 85 LP turns out to have an average MMR of 1100, so you're actually in a worse spot now than you were.

The Average MMR of any individual rank can always fluctuate for various reasons.

In my case for example. I climbed up to Plat IV in Season 8 in the first few months, so I had a much higher MMR than most players in Plat IV when I started playing Ranked again months later. The whole ladder is moving around you.

Heraimish1 votes

You've played only normal games, the last one on 25 november??

USG Failsawce1 votes

different account dude.. wtf? literally said in my post "on the account im playing on"

this is the one i happened to be logged into, so this is where i posted. what does that have to do with anything..

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