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if you're building athenes on any mage

ScarnMichaelScar··1 votes·1,466 views

with the exception ofGalio

you're doing it wrong. why spend 2k+ gold on an item with sup-bar ap and sub-par mana regen when you can just build item 3040, ward often, and watch your positioning?

once you get it fully stacked thats 1k bonus mana, AND a shield worth 20% of your current mana. odds are that shield and any other shield/flash will keep you safe from all death.

every time i see a lux, velkoz, or any other poke/siege mage builditem 3174 first instead of item 3070 item 1058 i die on the inside.

aside from a few AP mids, most can go with the general build of item 3003 item 3089 item 3157 item 3285 item 3020 item 3135, and put out much more damage and contribute much more to the game.

athenes is basically the item that says "oh i suck and keep eating shit from my lane opponent and stupidly use my mana" morellos is only good against high sustain midsVladimir Swain

archangels staff always.

edit; mana pots are 35g each people. you can buy 3 mana pots and that's enough to get up to 150 bonus mana from your tear before you have to back again.

39 Comments

AtheosisX7 votes

Ahem, you forgot CDR. Some champs want that 20% CDR.

ScarnMichaelScar1 votes

why do i need cdr from athenes when i run 30% scaling cdr in my runes and generally have blue buff maxing it out at 40

Slummzy1 votes

Yeah but then don't talk for everyone, some champs need it. So pls, Stahp Orianna

ScarnMichaelScar1 votes

lol are you kidding orianna's synergy with tear is unbelievable. she can stack her tear so fast and at such a little cost by throwing her ball around.

orianna e+seraphs embrace active=immortal orianna that still hits like a truck.

luckmallory5 votes

I would like to point out that you build athenes and tear on orianna

Slummzy1 votes

Yep ^^ And this guy thinks he knows everything?? LOL Level 20

luckmallory1 votes

Nah dude he said he is a Plat Smurf LOL

AtheosisX4 votes

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why do i need cdr from athenes when i run 30% scaling cdr in my runes and generally have blue buff maxing it out at 40

You wouldn't, but not everyone runs CDR runes. And no one "generally has blue buff". Blue buff doesn't last that long.

DrCyanide1 votes

*checks rune pages* *checks scaling runes available*

Sure you do...

DJ Di02 votes

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why do i need cdr from athenes when i run 30% scaling cdr in my runes and generally have blue buff maxing it out at 40

So let me get this straight:

you take 30% scaling cdr from runes and build Tear/Seraphs first?

Have fun not doing any damage until you miraculously make it to late game.

luckmallory7 votes

Was gonna argue. Then i saw you were level 20.

Then i understood how somebody could post something this stupid.

ScarnMichaelScar1 votes

this is my smurf account. got banned for calling too many people %%%gots on this forum on my main account. sensitive bunch, this lol community is.

but yeah from reading my post you can totally tell im level 20 and new to this game.

please.

luckmallory5 votes

You do realize making an account after being banned from bronze or silver (which im sure is where you are) doesnt make it a smurf lol You can't smurf if you are already in the shit tier of the game mate

Mecha MaIphite5 votes

i'm a bronze 5 smurf give me mid

freya od1 votes

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this is my smurf account. got banned for calling too many people %%%gots on this forum on my main account. sensitive bunch, this lol community is.

but yeah from reading my post you can totally tell im level 20 and new to this game.

please.

your dumbass sounds like you're new and have no idea what you're talking about.

Archon X4 votes

Athenes gives 20% cdr, and a lot of mr, and one of the best passives that pretty much ensures you won't run out of mana in a teamfight.

ScarnMichaelScar1 votes

like i said. athenes is for the clumsy dumb mages who waste their mana a lot and take too much harass from their lane opponents.

seraphs embrace is essentially a 400 health shield, with 3% of your 2k mana going into your ap, and 40 more ap than athenes.

run some scaling cdr quints and glyphs and that 20% cdr from athenes is WASTED.

therealdragon4 votes
  1. First of all, AA's staff is an item where it turning into seraphs embrace is more lategame. It won't help you early
  2. It doesn't give cdr-do you know how many times me or anyone else that plays lol woulda gotten a kill or gotten away if a skill came up .5s sooner? We do. And I like getting the kill tyvm. Its better than letting them get away
  3. Its essentially a blue buff. So what we're wasting our skills? We got the mana regen to back it up. Who cares if your skills miss when you can just cast another 500 million? Who knows, some of those wasted skills might actually hit (most have with me).
  4. Do you KNOW how many times that 25 extra MR has saved me??????? Like in every game where its ap vs ap-lux v brand, ziggs v veigar, etc, that MR has left me with a whopping 10 or 50 health. If you don't want the MR fine but I'd prefer not to feed tyvm.
  5. The shield you say is completely useless till late game. Only once you've casted a ton of spells does the item upgrade and give you the shield.

If EVERYONE builds AHG-there's probably a reason they're doing it. I myself used to buy morellos instead but, like I've mentioned, while also getting a kill, I almost always died. Then someone said "wtf, athenes gives you all this PLUS MR and extra mana regen." so I tried it out and look at that! Still living! I rock!

Build athenes and DONT build AA's staff.

ScarnMichaelScar1 votes

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  1. First of all, AA's staff is an item where it turning into seraphs embrace is more lategame. It won't help you early
  2. It doesn't give cdr-do you know how many times me or anyone else that plays lol woulda gotten a kill or gotten away if a skill came up .5s sooner? We do. And I like getting the kill tyvm. Its better than letting them get away
  3. Its essentially a blue buff. So what we're wasting our skills? We got the mana regen to back it up. Who cares if your skills miss when you can just cast another 500 million? Who knows, some of those wasted skills might actually hit (most have with me).
  4. Do you KNOW how many times that 25 extra MR has saved me??????? Like in every game where its ap vs ap-lux v brand, ziggs v veigar, etc, that MR has left me with a whopping 10 or 50 health. If you don't want the MR fine but I'd prefer not to feed tyvm.
  5. The shield you say is completely useless till late game. Only once you've casted a ton of spells does the item upgrade and give you the shield.

If EVERYONE builds AHG-there's probably a reason they're doing it. I myself used to buy morellos instead but, like I've mentioned, while also getting a kill, I almost always died. Then someone said "wtf, athenes gives you all this PLUS MR and extra mana regen." so I tried it out and look at that! Still living! I rock!

Build athenes and DONT build AA's staff.

are there any early game ap carry mages? no. they're ALL late game carries. which is why AA's staff is better for them. a late game item for a late game champion.

therealdragon1 votes

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are there any early game ap carry mages? no. they're ALL late game carries. which is why AA's staff is better for them. a late game item for a late game champion.

k care to address the rest of my points instead of ignoring 4/5 points? And hey, fine you can build tear while I'll have chalice and amp tome and I can live and spam my abilities and kill you 5/0. But hey, you got your shield and you have a ton of mana at lategame so its all good right? Forget that you fed 0/5 YOU HAVE A SHIELD AND SO MUCH MANA! WHO CAN STOP YOU?

edit: wait the vayne who just stunned you into a wall might stop you.....or the lee who just kicked you.....or the malphite that just knocked you up....or the alistar that just knocked you up.....or the brand that just stunned you....or the fiora that just did a ton of true dmg on you....

wait forget true dmg YOU HAVE A SHIELD! YOU ARE UNSTOPPABLE!

edit 2: I don't even know why I'm wasting my time with you. If you seriously think AA's staff is more worth it than AHG, and are willing to ignore everyones arguments, then there's no use being here. Have a nice life and lose lane at mid while your opponent lives :D

luckmallory1 votes

This is by far the stupidest thing i have ever read on these forums

insaiyanbacca1 votes

early game ap carry? Velkoz has a pretty good early and tear is just blah on him actually building raw ap in general is bleh on him.Malzahar has a pretty good early tho he doesnt build either usually he just goes roa. Ahri has a pretty good early too and tear is pointless on her tbh. Syndra would honestly much rather have the cdr and regen then more mana cause cdr and mana regen = more q's more q's =more dmg on ult. and honestly this entire post is just lame athenes/morello are just better pickups on most mages due to the ap cdr and regen and their passives

freya od3 votes

why would you waste the gold building seraphs on champs who really don't need it? blitz needs tear. anivia needs tear, or nidalee (most just go roa on her these days though)

lux, ori, vel, etc. need the CDR, the mana regen, and the MR. what kills ME is seeing mid lanes getting wrecked by other mages and building morello's with no MR, when grail gives the MR plus better mana regen. Seraphs is unnecessary.

I die inside when i see someone waste that much gold when they could've been more efficient with their spendings.

ScarnMichaelScar1 votes

scaling cdr runes dont exist mb

i definitely dont circumvent the need to have cdr from athenes by having runes. tell me im not efficient with my spendings when im throwing spells out non-stop because i have 2k mana, and not dependent on a kill or assist to replenish my small amount of base mana.

is it a waste of gold when im at full build as lux with item 3040 item 3089 item 3285 item 3135 item 3020 item 3157, and shielding my self for a total of 900 damage with my active and w, while hitting for 650+ damage on my q, 600 damage on my e, and 1050 damage on my ult?

nope because most people don't live through a full rotation of my abilities. and if they do they can't afford to fight after that.

freya od1 votes

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scaling cdr runes dont exist mb

i definitely dont circumvent the need to have cdr from athenes by having runes. tell me im not efficient with my spendings when im throwing spells out non-stop because i have 2k mana, and not dependent on a kill or assist to replenish my small amount of base mana.

  1. seraphs is way more expensive than grail.
  2. scaling cdr quints? so you have no AP so you lose a duel early? scaling cdr blues? so you dont have any MR runes? LMAO. and you're not building MR.
  3. there's a reason everyone here thinks you're stupid and your post was downvoted 8 times. It's extremely inefficient considering how your rune page should be set up, the costs, and what you get with grail vs seraphs. Seraphs works best with paired with another item like ROA or grail, and only about 3 champs in the game are going to do that for infinite mana. Theres literally a reason why seraphs is not core on your average mages, only ones who use a ton of it.
luckmallory3 votes

WTf is your rune page. Only scaling CDR lol to get 30 percent you would have to forfeit MR and quite a bit of AP.

Stay bronze my friend

ScarnMichaelScar1 votes

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WTf is your rune page. Only scaling CDR lol to get 30 percent you would have to forfeit MR and quite a bit of AP.

Stay bronze my friend

i bet you also run flat ad runes as your toplane bruisers instead of armor pen runes. so while you do more damage than me for 3 minutes, i come back with a brutalizer and do more damage than you for the rest of the game. it's the same thing with scaling cdr runes with magic pen.

pls look at my runes and tell me they're bad. GoldenDarknezz

pls. look at them, spend as much time as i do in custom games actually testing the numbers and doing the math and tell me your generic shitty mr and armor runes are better than mine

luckmallory2 votes

  1. That isn't your account. It is sad you have to lie on the internet to try and seem competent at the game. I can easily tell you are lying by comparing the stats of your "smurf" to the stats of that account as well as the champions played. Definitely not the same person. Pathetic honestly

  2. Nobody cares what you do in a custom game

  3. If you think it is so good then Invite me to a game at like 5 PST and i will build athenes mid and you can build a tear first. We can see who wins

  4. If you don't want to do that then invite me to a game and i will use my "generic" page that every high elo player uses and you can use your retarded page and i will stomp the life out of you.

  5. Last option. Admit you are an idiot and stop lying on the internet to make it seem like you aren't shit at this game.

Crossette3 votes

Yes, that 350 health shield is going to make you immortal.

Riiiiiiiiiiight...

ScarnMichaelScar1 votes

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Yes, that 350 health shield is going to make you immortal.

Riiiiiiiiiiight...

350 health shield coupled with any cc you have/shields/flash means you escape from everything. if you're not bad.

Marthian3 votes

Whenever I've used it, it's more like 600 health shield.

Still, I disagree with OP: Athenes and Archangels complete two different goals.

Vicarious1172 votes

If you're losing against another AP mid and need the earlier mana regen and MR to farm safely without feeding, then Athene's is the best possible option.

You're the kind of tard who will feed a Syndra early cause you "weren't expecting that much damage!" Or you blame the jungler ofc, then build a fucking needlessly large rod or tear first, gaining nothing that will help you in a highly abusive ranged mage mid who is already ahead of you. Then the game is over before you've even managed to stack your late game item with no defenses and you're 0-7.

The usefulness of items changes every game and every match up, even the same champs matched up will result in different items based on the way the game progresses, only a bronze scrub buys the same things every single time and disregards everything else.

ScarnMichaelScar1 votes

its like you guys are all super new.

there are few mages in midlane that benefit more from flat ap runes compared to cdr runes.

why spend 2k gold on an item with stats on it you could have in your runes

athenes is bad and always will be bad unless you're galio. stop handcuffing yourselves and learn to not take harass, and how not to spend your mana needlessly.

i've never been so starved of mana that i needed an athenes. and i've never worried about an enemy mid having so much damage that i need the MR from athenes. know why? i last hit well with 2 dorans, and dont blow a full rotation of spells every time someone comes in range.

lightdragoon881 votes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGpJOfWNqtk

Lugg1 votes

Veigar does great with item 3174 since he gets passive AP gain with his Q and already has mana regen from his passive. It let's you have mana regen and MR against other AP champs, so it's win all around.

insaiyanbacca1 votes

well based on your op.gg your also an adc main so why are you talking about mage balance when your not even playing mages in most of your games?

ScarnMichaelScar1 votes

oh on my smurf? because i own like 10 champions on this account as compared to my main account where i own every.

insaiyanbacca1 votes

you want people to judge off your main post on your main, if not everything you say about this being a "smurf" can be ignored

Vekkna1 votes

I actually prefer tear on Zyra since it solves your mana issues well enough to let you get Liandry's far earlier in the game, which is a huge spike. As support I build tear and take meditation, and have no mana problems. But she can get away with it because of her free 10% CDR on W, though I often run scaling CDR glyphs and will usually build Ionian boots early so I can be an oppressive bully into mid game.

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