Remove it from bot lane, thanks.
Adcs might aswell not exist anymore with all this bullshit in the game, i know you guys love to hate on caitlyn but how come i dont see any nerf ziggs threads as hes basically a caitlyn on steroids in terms of pushing, sieging and getting towers, oh yeah ziggs is not an adc thats why, its fine for non adc champions to be good/broken but the moment an adc is good : "NERF NERF NERF GUT IT GUT IT"
Critmaster Garen13 votesthere is a difference between adc not existing in the game, and not having the monopoly over that lane.
RexSaur3 votes[{quoted}](name=Critmaster Garen,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=KkUoON7J,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2017-01-03T10:01:14.753+0000)
there is a difference between adc not existing in the game, and not having the monopoly over that lane.
As it is ziggs is a better cait, and caitlyn is one of the better adcs in the game.
Why woiuld you pick any of them in that case? Like why in the world would you pick something like Jinx?? Adcs only have bot lane to go and they are being outclassed on their role, this is not anywhere near "ok".
Penns6 votesInb4 "Graves jungle" "Quinn top" Kappa
Critmaster Garen5 votesAs it is ziggs is a better caitly, and caitlyn is one of the better adcs in the game.
Why woiuld you pick any of them in that case? Adcs only have bot lane to go and they are being outclassed on their role, this is not anywhere near "ok".
theyre repeatedly showing in the jungle and on mid lane. if im not mistaken, varus and corki are pretty decent picks right now. might be wrong with varus. but there are other adc who can easily go midlane depending on the matchup.
i found cait vs. tf quite easy for example.
theyre also still popping up on top lane now and then.
RexSaur1 votes[{quoted}](name=Critmaster Garen,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=KkUoON7J,comment-id=000200000001,timestamp=2017-01-03T10:30:12.929+0000)
theyre repeatedly showing in the jungle and on mid lane. if im not mistaken, varus and corki are pretty decent picks right now. might be wrong with varus. but there are other adc who can easily go midlane depending on the matchup.
i found cait vs. tf quite easy for example.
theyre also still popping up on top lane now and then.
The problem with adcs mid is that they either get outbursted/destroyed at 6 or vs the likes of tf, he just kills your top/bot while you cannot roam because you're an caitlyn mid who will die if you ever move out of the lane, or you'll just get ganked over and over by lee sin, corki is pretty much the only one whos actually decent at mid.
Ahristocats3 votesThe role of adc is ranged champs that crit for 1k damage
NO ONE outclass them in this
their role is not to siege
learn the fucking game, i don't know how you got diamond
RexSaur1 votes[{quoted}](name=Dr Sona x Rubick,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=KkUoON7J,comment-id=000200000002,timestamp=2017-01-03T10:34:05.488+0000)
The role of adc is ranged champs that crit for 1k damage
NO ONE outclass them in this
their role is not to siege
learn the fucking game, i don't know how you got diamond
I think you're the one who should learn it, the biggest reason adcs have never fell out of the meta is because someone has to kill towers and they are the safest class (or atleast were) to do so, doing the dps is only secondary as they arent the only dps champs in the game (Champions like cass/ryze/azir do just as much dps if not more, and stuff like yasuo/yi/tryndamere also outdamage them but those champs cant really hit towers outside of a splitpush).
doublelift fg1 votesyasuo doesn't outdamage an adc unless your name is ashe trynd can't even manage to touch a target yi gets destroyed in half of a second unless ahead
adc have never fall out of the meta because no one can beat them in lane, not even adc ziggs can if you trade against him for a long time he's going to get destroyed because he can't keep up with the early DPS
adc ziggs strat is to poke+pushing permanently, if you trade with him and force him to continue the trade he's going to get destroyed
no one is more overpowered than marksmen, and it's not because of sieging You're not even forced to pick an adc into ziggs, you can pick tf and having infinity waveclear ziggs being the only one forcing adc out of bot doesn't mean adc are weak,** just mean that adc don't work in one match up**
Also, Azir doesn't do as much damage as an adc, and ryze/cass having the dps of an adc doesn't make the adc class outclassed
Dynikus4 votesRemove it from bot lane, thanks.
I'm dying to hear your solution.
DrCyanide1 votesThe weaker tower bot lane + first turret gold was to make it less enticing for LCS teams to trade top/bot tower, then trade bot/top tower without interacting with each other, right? Wouldn't the natural solution be to make the Mid tower just as weak as the Bot tower, thus giving Ziggs no extra incentive to go Bot? He'd be able to go bot, just like he can now, but he wouldn't be more effective there than he is Mid.
MLDzXnRRR4 votesMost of his dmg can be dodged and he is not lifestealing for 1/5 of his hp bar per hit. Way healthier design than most ADCs.
RexSaur1 votesMost of his dmg can be dodged and he is not lifestealing for 1/5 of his hp bar per hit. Way healthier design than most ADCs.
Can towers dodge his tower execute and passive? Dont think so.
You also forget to mention his damage all comes from over 1k range, so it doesnt matter if he doesnt hit every bomb all he has to do is throw more because no adc can auto from his dps range.
Lifesteal is only strong when adcs are full build, and right now ziggs just ends the game before you get anywhere close to that since he just kills your towers and you cant siege vs him.
MLDzXnRRR4 votesCan towers dodge his tower execute and passive? Dont think so.
You also forget to mention his damage all comes from over 1k range, so it doesnt matter if he doesnt hit every bomb all he has to do is throw more because no adc can auto from his dps range.
Lifesteal is only strong when adcs are full build, and right now ziggs just ends the game before you get anywhere close to that since he just kills your towers and you cant siege vs him.
Great. Let's hope that they will release even more mages that can lane bot and end the era of ADC bot. Lol is the only MOBA dominated by ranged DPS for so many years.
Rivuo1 votesGreat. Let's hope that they will release even more mages that can lane bot and end the era of ADC bot. Lol is the only MOBA dominated by ranged DPS for so many years.
Except mages have been dominating bot.....
Brand supp ring a bell..?
Ralanr1 votesNah man. It's dem supports with the new items that amp their heals and shields that are dominating bot.
Rivuo1 votesNah man. It's dem supports with the new items that amp their heals and shields that are dominating bot.
I have yet to see a support finish any shield item besides FOM before lane ends.
ZephyrDrake1 votesMost of his dmg can be dodged and he is not lifestealing for 1/5 of his hp bar per hit. Way healthier design than most ADCs.
this stupid mentality needs to fucking die! this is like saying "this champion can one shit you with every skill but you can dodge it so it's healthy design!" it is not!
DrCyanide4 votesEver been on the receiving end of a Crit? Can deal just as much burst but isn't dodge-able. So yeah, "you can dodge it" is relevant when talking about ADCs vs Casters.
Besides, this is Ziggs, his spells aren't exactly the fastest things in the world.
ZephyrDrake1 votesEver been on the receiving end of a Crit? Can deal just as much burst but isn't dodge-able. So yeah, "you can dodge it" is relevant when talking about ADCs vs Casters.
Besides, this is Ziggs, his spells aren't exactly the fastest things in the world.
yes and i don't care. There are other ways for me to outplay ADCs or anyone with "undodgeable" damage. I do not approach every single champion and think "all i have to do is dodge their things for me to outplay them". This pretty much only helps those who have good reflexes, good PC and good internet. There are multiple times that you get hit by skillshots that you swear that you dodged. There are times that you get deleted before you have even a chance to react due to some really annoying skillshot. Both dodgeable and undodgeable damage have the same characteristics of being incredibly frustrating when used properly just like they also have their own way of you dealing with them.
Ziggs is annoying but i don't care if he is bot or not. Whether he is too strong there is another story but i haven't faced enough of him to determine that myself. He doesn't need to have fast spells when he can still hit you even though you swear you dodged it.
I said it before and i'll keep saying it again, the stupid mentality of "undodgeable damage is bad design!" needs to die. Since skillshots can be just as horrible if not more of a terrible design at times.
Elite4Runner4 votesSo what you're saying is that Ziggs has been broken since patch 6.9 and the community is just now catching on to it?
Ultimate Deadpoo1 votesSo what you're saying is that Ziggs has been broken since patch 6.9 and the community is just now catching on to it?
I actually was thinking to myself when I saw that turret execute thing, this is going to be a problem, and low and behold people are now having to deal with their tower being lost 4 minutes into the game.
Jmman2 votesRemove it from bot lane, thanks.
Adcs might aswell not exist anymore with all this bullshit in the game, i know you guys love to hate on caitlyn but how come i dont see any nerf ziggs threads as hes basically a caitlyn on steroids in terms of pushing, sieging and getting towers, oh yeah ziggs is not an adc thats why, its fine for non adc champions to be good/broken but the moment an adc is good : "NERF NERF NERF GUT IT GUT IT"
Why should ADC only have bot lane. Why can't ADC build any defense items..... This is good for the game. Adc are still good bot. they just have never had to dodge or play. They just farmed and let supports attack. Now they get to fill like what all the other lanes are like. I don't have a problem playing against him. Why because I have play against them mid. Just don't stand in the way of his spells. Buy some MR and quit going straight damage.
Now your support has to worry about running in because they take damage. instead of shielding it off. Just learn to play differently. ADC are still good
Narvuntien1 votesI personally like it when characters are playable in unusual and unexpected roles.
It makes the game more interesting.
PureSilvrr1 votesIts because the boards doesent like adc's
dominusx1 votesadcs not existising meanwhile they are the second strongest role for like what 3 seasons now. lmfao.
LordGeovanni1 votesAdc ziggs is cancer.... welcome to the family
Hige1 votesfirst of all, how come adcs not existing anymore is an issue to you? mind you I'm an adc main and I love that my lane is getting some diversification.
Ziggs is not an issue if you understand the champion, his damage might come from very far away but it's heavily telegraphed, even more so than cait's btw, if you can't dodge his bouncing bomb you deserve the damage he-s doing to you, this skillshot is probably the easiest to dodge in all game and the version of it that hits you immediately is short ranged or against minions, so it's simple, don't stand in minions and move to a side when you hear him say EAUGH!!!
If Ziggs is a concern to you, then heavily push your lane or ask your jungler to camp bot from the beginning of the game
The only instance of damage from Ziggs that seems to be incredibly broken is lich bane + his passive but he doesn't get that until later in the game, rushing lich bane is not the best idea since it scales with AP
CheekyWookiee1 votesDear Riot, This kind of stuff is killing this game for me.... It is not even fun..... Can you please fix this there are many champions that need a rework but zigs has always been good in my option. Why did you need to make him unfair.... Please fix this I love this game and I would hate to see it ruined by stupid kits that wreck a fun game.