Can you just rework wukong then ?

option paralysis·Jul 11, 2018·22 votes·6,787 views

If you're gonna nerf a champ that has been trash for 4 years, just rework him then. Idk why is everyone complaining about him, when his early game is weak as fuk. Try playing wukong vs. darius/renekton/camille/irelia/fiora/not to mention jax and see how you'll do. You cant do jack shit to them early or ever in the game. And now riot is nerfing E dmg, to fuck his jungle even more. Like every time I play against wukong jg, I invade and kill him every single time cuz his clear is trash and hes always low hp without clone. When you let him farm all game without punishing him for it, ofc hes gonna be a one shot wonder.

Anyway, its clear riot doesnt want wukong to be played, so can you just rework him then ???

38 Comments

BALDG1VEN BOOMERJul 11, 201814 votes

I'm surprised people are now catching on to this, he's been doing this nonsense since Lethality/Duskblade release, but of course when I brought it up I was told I'm some bronze noob xd.

Anyways his itemization is what's putting him over the edge, not him himself he had no place in league before the new items and now he just builds full assassin. Never should a diver be doing so much damage, but of course Riot doesn't want to nerf the playstyle because they are so hard on diversifying yourself and your play style.

Like yeah fucking right, this is why people hated AD Jarvan, easy engage with tons of damage. They're not gonna rework him because they're so hard on having champions being played in different ways and different positions regardless of how broken it is.

ThefrostyvikingJul 11, 20182 votes

It wasnt really bad after lethality was toned down, however stormrazor added and marksmen&supports pushed back made him a lot stronger.

And while i havent really played any normals in recent time however in urf for instance, at 5 items or somewhere there a wukong can do 1,4 k damage with his Q to a squishy alone, and he can do it almost instantly right after with his invisibility and a second Q.

2 of those Q's and its actually more damage than a fullbuild high AP max spheres syndra ulti.

BALDG1VEN BOOMERJul 11, 20184 votes

Wasn't that bad?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ELoFF00GP4

This is almost a year ago

Noor SakataJul 11, 20181 votes

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Wasn't that bad?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ELoFF00GP4

This is almost a year ago

item 3147

ThefrostyvikingJul 11, 20181 votes

That was definitely before the nerfs went through tho.

I did write "It wasnt really bad after lethality was toned down" x)

Well,,,,,it also doesnt help that Lucian was alone, marksmen resistances and durability is basically calculated on the basis that they have a support to help migrate the damage taken.

Blue Moon WolfJul 11, 20181 votes

Well in their defense they said they don't want to nerf it cause its the only way he can function (keep in mind this was said when they went to nerf Duskblade and compensated him for it) and would actually like to rework him in a way that moves him away from Lethality. But of course that would require some sort of kit update at least.... which right now the ETA on when that will be is somewhere between limbo and the ice box :L

BLIGHTBRINGERJul 11, 20185 votes

I been playing him a lot lately and from my experience he suffers a lot during Early game. His Passive granting him bonus Armor and Magic Resistance per unit within range doesn't feel all that noticeable.

The Bad TouchJul 11, 20185 votes

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If you're gonna nerf a champ that has been trash for 4 years, just rework him then. Idk why is everyone complaining about him, when his early game is weak as fuk. Try playing wukong vs. darius/renekton/camille/irelia/fiora/not to mention jax and see how you'll do. You cant do jack shit to them early or ever in the game. And now riot is nerfing E dmg, to fuck his jungle even more. Like every time I play against wukong jg, I invade and kill him every single time cuz his clear is trash and hes always low hp without clone. When you let him farm all game without punishing him for it, ofc hes gonna be a one shot wonder.

Anyway, its clear riot doesnt want wukong to be played, so can you just rework him then ???

You gotta be shitting me... Wukong has the 3rd highest win rate.... of ALL champs.

How is he weak?

Pika FoxJul 11, 20188 votes

Hes always been trash. Still is. ADCs are currently weak and he just gets to abuse them.

The Bad TouchJul 11, 20184 votes

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Pika FoxJul 11, 20187 votes

No, thats just how wukong is. Hes suppised to be a skrimisher bruiser esque thing but he doesnt work well as one, and the only times hes ever been useful is when he can EQ cheese squishies full damage. Even then a normal assassin is generally better at it and more reliable, as his stealth really isnt all that good (and severely undersells the fantasy of a proper trickster demigod thing).

The Bad TouchJul 11, 20185 votes

Except win rates say otherwise.

Wukong is being played as an assassin and is doing a statistically better job at it than every other assassin.

https://www.leagueofgraphs.com/champions/stats/by-winrate

Wukong's at 54% win rate. Talon 52% Zed 50%.

Just play him as what he is. An assassin.

Also someone was saying he's been back for 4 years...

https://imgur.com/a/FhvAXbL

^Untrue. He's been above 50% win rate for 95% of the past 4 years.

Wu if anything is too strong... and has been for ages.

Pika FoxJul 11, 20182 votes

Its unlikely wukong is doing better just because he is better. More straight forward and easier to play maybe, but zed and talon will easily outperform a wukong. Wukong brings nothing to the game that they cant do themselves, and they do it better. Wukongs abilities just cant miss.

The Bad TouchJul 11, 20183 votes

The fact is he's doing better.

The fact is in a game with winning and losing that's all that actually matters.

Pika FoxJul 11, 20183 votes

Too many variables to go with that. 54% at what skill levels, what region, etc etc. Reality is wukong doesnt do anything a skilled talon or zed cant do better.

The Bad TouchJul 11, 20182 votes

I literally linked it to you.

Gold+ All Regions.

He's 2nd win rate in all elos.

5th in Plat+

big boi edriJul 11, 20182 votes

He's too strong right now, but hasn't been over the years. His player base keeping him at 52% win rate amounted to a whooping like .9% (over the past years)- literally only one tricks until these meta changes.

The Bad TouchJul 11, 20182 votes

Untrue. You people sure like to pull numbers out of youe ass though.

https://imgur.com/a/QI6dpbE

Wu has an average play rate throughout most of his existence. With spikes of popularity.

Average being 6-8%.

big boi edriJul 11, 20182 votes

That number was pulled out of my ass, but no it hasn't been average its been low.

The Bad TouchJul 11, 20182 votes

https://imgur.com/O3lH28w

Says otherwise.

Sometimes it's silly to argue with fact ya know?

He was only below average for about a year. Average for 2 and above average for one.

KICK OUT AT 2Jul 11, 20181 votes

You don't even play the game, why are you posting? Wukong hasn't been anywhere near bad in a very long time. Since keystones were introduced he could 100-0 your botlane or midlane sometimes without even needing to blow ult.

Pika FoxJul 11, 20182 votes

So can most of the LoL roster, including supports and ADCs. 100-0ing an ADC is a low bar.

La BelloJul 11, 20184 votes

Riots rework team doesn't move fast enough. Even if they did decide to do this you wouldn't see the VGU until 2019 midseason.

they just a poor widdle ow indie company :(

As a reminder though I think its disgusting that we already have 141 champions with like a half of that in need of a small GU or complete VGU yet Riot is still intent on releasing new champions every 2~4 months. [sg-janna]

The Bad TouchJul 11, 20182 votes

They too busy hiring more people to make skins.

Linna ExcelJul 11, 20181 votes

It seems like their skin production is down.

I think they are working on another game in secret.

QuinzleyJul 11, 20182 votes

They could just nerf duskblade you know.

EedatJul 11, 20182 votes

Wukong want good even with duskblade for a year and a half.

The Bad TouchJul 11, 20181 votes

https://imgur.com/a/FhvAXbL

Untrue

Pika FoxJul 11, 20182 votes

He likely will get some kind of rework, its just an eventually thing.

DuskDaUmbreonJul 11, 20182 votes

If you're gonna nerf a champ that has been trash for 4 years

Trash for four years.

I mean, sure. Except he's blatantly broken right now.

Also, who the fuck plays Wu jungle? You only ever see him top. Nerfing his jungle clear is irrelevant because he's never jungle.

And, sure, his early game is kinda weak...Unless you're a squishy he can 100>0 from level 6 onward. Which...is a lot of champions.

Pretending he's balanced - or even weak - right now is a blatant lie. He's broken right now. The fact that he was weak for the 4 years beforehand is irrelevant, as he's broken now. Just like it doesn't matter how dominant Yasuo was before his buffs, he had a 42% winrate and warranted a hotfix.

ValiantKillerJul 11, 20183 votes

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Trash for four years.

I mean, sure. Except he's blatantly broken right now.

Also, who the fuck plays Wu jungle? You only ever see him top. Nerfing his jungle clear is irrelevant because he's never jungle.

And, sure, his early game is kinda weak...Unless you're a squishy he can 100>0 from level 6 onward. Which...is a lot of champions.

Pretending he's balanced - or even weak - right now is a blatant lie. He's broken right now. The fact that he was weak for the 4 years beforehand is irrelevant, as he's broken now. Just like it doesn't matter how dominant Yasuo was before his buffs, he had a 42% winrate and warranted a hotfix.

I double dare you to take wukong top against Nasus Yorick Urgot Illaoi Darius Garen Renekton and you will beg for mercy he is hopeless in lane phase against them. People tend to lose to wukong as top lane cause either they don't play a strong lane bully special a juggernauts or they don\t listen to missing pings then feed him on other lanes.

The Bad TouchJul 11, 20181 votes

MonkeyKing win rate vs...

Nasus 52.6% Yorick 55% Urgot 52.3% Illaoi 46.5% Darius 57.4% Garen 47.2% Renekton 49.5%

Yeh.....

Noor SakataJul 11, 20181 votes

Actually he needs a rework , the only thing he can do is to 1 shoot others , he has to build full glass canon to do that , at the end he 1 shoots or gets 1 shot but you know , then dies after 1 shooting the enemy , he can't anything else other than 1 shooting , play him tanky or as a bruiser ? he gets melted and does no dmg at all , to make him snowball less , Duskblade must be nerfed , and Electrocute too , but that won't solve the problem of him being useless

Linna ExcelJul 11, 20181 votes

I hope he gets a rename and a rework. He's in all the MOBAs right now and he's too close in looks to the Wukong from journey to the west. Riot should start fresh.

ΦmalphintoΦJul 11, 20181 votes

from my experience on wukong, yes you are right. i would add that if you went behind, really hard to go ahead once again.

His early game is really hard, his late game is too harsh for squishiees. i think a rework would be better.

Shadow GilgameshJul 11, 20181 votes

The best part is the changes don't actually fix anything, they exacerbate his current weakness (loses almost all lanes, has shit clear), while doing nothing to deal with why he's a problem, which is that he can pretty reliably trade at least 1 for 1 once he has item 3147 + item 3134 by deleting a squishy, and if he doesn't get instagibbed after E auto Q electrocuting the carry, then he ults giving his team a great follow up