8.12 Bot lane top tier picks

D357R0Y3R·Jun 15, 2018·29 votes·19,752 views

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94 Comments

ShahamutJun 15, 201836 votes

Im seeing... ... ... Variety?

My team's ADC has been playing Ahri Ahri bot lane a lot as well.

MalakJun 15, 201829 votes

6 out of the top 9 are ADCs...

Seems more than fair

OtterlyLostJun 15, 201812 votes

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6 out of the top 9 are ADCs...

??

Seems more than fair

0 out of those 6 are crit ADCs; seems fair.

2 out of those 6 can go to another lane; seems fair.

0 crit ADCs can go to a solo lane; seems fair.

6 out of 9 of these champions can solo lane and go anywhere else on the map; seems fair.

"Variety."

ZackTheWaffleManJun 15, 201816 votes

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0 out of those 6 are crit ADCs; seems fair.

Xayah? Draven?

OtterlyLostJun 15, 20187 votes

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Xayah? Draven?

Draven rushes lifesteal; he builds crit as an afterthought. Xayah's kit literally made her perfect for dealing with bruisers; it's no surprise she does well against them bot lane.

ZackTheWaffleManJun 15, 20184 votes

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Draven [...] builds crit

Then why did you say 0 out of those 6 are crit ADCs?

OtterlyLostJun 15, 20184 votes

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Then why did you say 0 out of those 6 are crit ADCs?

Because he isn't a crit ADCs? He builds it because he can, not because he has to. Draven is not solely a crit based ADC and instead benefits from flat AD instead. That's why he rushes bloodthirster or death's dance instead of a crit/as item. If draven gets any crit, its specifically because he just wants to burst, not because he likes doing consistent damage. He isn't a crit based ADC and doesn't scale like one either.

TerozuJun 15, 20182 votes

Dravens in my experience always build BT DD then Crit since they compound really well.

That still makes him crit based.

OtterlyLostJun 15, 20182 votes

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Dravens in my experience always build BT DD then Crit since they compound really well.

That still makes him crit based.

He doesn't need to build crit though. It's like saying that because ranger builds crit hes now crit based. No, he just wants the burst. I usually see them build life steal with some crit and some kind of armor pen.

TerozuJun 15, 20182 votes

...I'm beginning to think you don't actually understand what critbased actually means.

OtterlyLostJun 15, 20184 votes

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...I'm beginning to think you don't actually understand what critbased actually means.

I understand what crit based is. Crit based is when the only build path available to a champion is crit AS. So jinx, tristana, or cait. Draven is not crit based. He is burst based, like Rengar or Shaco, both of which might build crit to make their burst stronger. He builds crit for the same reasons rengar and shaco do and gets away with it easier because of his passive. Shaco and rengar are not crit based. Neither is draven.

TerozuJun 15, 20183 votes

Aaaand you're wrong.

Crit based means they are viable with Crit and it compliments your playstyle.

Draven is crit based because of the burst potential, and the movrment speed lets him keep up better with his Axes.

Jinx because she has extreme long range and wave clear which Crit accents oh so much.

Etc.

OtterlyLostJun 16, 20182 votes

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Aaaand you're wrong.

Crit based means they are viable with Crit and it compliments your playstyle.

Draven is crit based because of the burst potential, and the movrment speed lets him keep up better with his Axes.

Jinx because she has extreme long range and wave clear which Crit accents oh so much.

Etc.

Crit doesn't give MS. .-. Crit items have passive MS but he could just as easily build a Youmuu's(and has) instead for a more ready MS. Furthermore, his kit already as a MS steroid. Draven isn't Crit based and saying is basically means you're accepting some Assassins as "crit based" because they might build IE or Storm Razor for more burst. Draven builds BT into Storm Razor 9 times out of ten because its extra burst on the one big AA he gets. He might get a RFC because he likes getting the one long, super charged AA off with the Stormrazor proc but a good portion of pros don't even spec completely into Crit. In fact, most pros opt to get other items over getting IE. In fact, he has the highest winrates with items that are not crit, such as Youmuus and Death's Dance. He literally does not need crit to do damage.

GayFluffyUnicornJun 15, 201813 votes

??? You see 9 picks in the picture and not a single bruiser. So she does well against bruisers who arent even played. Stunning logic.

D357R0Y3RJun 15, 20184 votes

how does xayah do fine against bruisers anyway?

the way i pictured xayah her ult allows her to do fine against literally anyone

Sp33d Zer0Jun 16, 20182 votes

People are adjusting. God I swear the boards won't be happy until every ranged champion that isn't a mage is deleted.

Malicious MetalJun 15, 20189 votes

GODDAMNIT

THERE GOES MY FREELO.

Warlord RhinarkJun 15, 20182 votes

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GODDAMNIT

THERE GOES MY FREELO.

WATCH IT AS IT GOES

MordepoolJun 15, 20188 votes

Yup still spouting daily stats

D357R0Y3RJun 15, 20185 votes

that's opgg which is refreshed every 3 days

but morde mains are way more sensible than adc mains so i guess this is it

MordepoolJun 15, 20183 votes

Lol. There isn't a large enough sample size to know for sure. ROFL

Malicious MetalJun 15, 20186 votes

11.73% isn't large enough?

Mordekaiser ADC is actually one of the, if not THE best bot lane carry pick right now and people are slowly catching on to the fact that he is in fact very, very strong.

TerozuJun 15, 20182 votes

As a support main, that makes me glad I can't play right now!

Malicious MetalJun 15, 20182 votes

Why? Morde adc is really fun and all my friends enjoy supporting Morde lanes. Very exciting.

TerozuJun 15, 20181 votes

Well, Mordekaiser generally means (to my knowledge and in my experience) Blitz/Thresh support.

As a Lux main who prefers blind pick, fuck that shit. :)

https://imgur.com/dmQEM8g

Basically its not that i wouldnt want to support a Morde, in contrary it can be fun! I just don't want to deal with your bitch of a support that blitz and thresh are.

Malicious MetalJun 15, 20181 votes

Well, my brother and two of my friends usually just go Pyke, Leona or Brand and it does work, soo...

TerozuJun 15, 20182 votes

"Leona or Brand"

Fuck that shit!

https://imgur.com/dmQEM8g

SpecterVonBarenJun 15, 20181 votes

How you doing Malicious? Its been a while since I saw you being active.

Malicious MetalJun 15, 20181 votes

Oh, doing pretty well. Finished my current semester of University and got 3 moths of holidays to spare.

Haven't really been all that invested into Morde's balance state since I just play him with friends nowadays but I'm growing kiiiinda impatient in terms of VGU news.

SpecterVonBarenJun 15, 20181 votes

Really? Glad to hear it, what are you planning to use your education on?

Malicious MetalJun 15, 20181 votes

Phew, quite a few possible paths. Either education (High school teacher), publication, editor, or something along the lines of media, something with writing would be preferable, I do study English and Film after all.

sarii foxJun 15, 20181 votes

Anyway, how is your sex life?

Malicious MetalJun 15, 20181 votes

Epic and private.

TesladinJun 16, 20181 votes

No, it might be kind of fun in lane, but it is much less challenging with less reward later because morde does not carry as hard fed as crit adcs

Supporting a squishy ranged champino is fun because you have to be diligent to peel the enemy out of range, and kee her very safe

Z3SleeperJun 16, 20181 votes

TF?

Attticus FinchJun 15, 20188 votes

Boy that sure is some nice lane variety there!!!!

AirKingNeoJun 15, 20183 votes

Vladimir broken in 3 lanes now. I'm taking bets now on when will Vladimir be nerfed.

TerozuJun 15, 20184 votes

Ah yes, the 48% win rate, the best lane being Top at only 49%. So, so broken...

Unbelievably so...

AirKingNeoJun 15, 20183 votes

Yes, and I'm the person who only uses winrate to determine champion balance because pickrates and banrates don't exist as well?

https://www.leagueofgraphs.com/champions/stats/vladimir/diamond

TerozuJun 16, 20181 votes

There exists elos above and below diamond.

And 27% pick rate, 38% ban rate?

Not that impressive when so many people himself included have hit higher. Especially so since he plays in three different lanes and is thrice as likely to be picked as is average.

Furthermore Top 5% pick 7% ban.

Mid 8% pick 11% ban

Bot Carry 14% pick 20% ban

Top win 49.7%

Mid win 48.6%

Bot win 47.4%

That is to say, the more likely you are to face a Vladimir, the more likely you are to beat a Vladimir.

And his Win rate decreases as his play rate increases. That is an indication he is in a balanced state.

As much as I hate vsing him, he is not broken.

So whats your point here?

[slayer-jinx-unamused] [vlad-salute] [sg-ahri-2] [slayer-jinx-catface]

Sp33d Zer0Jun 16, 20181 votes

I would argue a 65% presence is worth noting.

But yea, his winrate drops with his play rate. He's pretty bad for inexperienced players. I expect it to climb

TerozuJun 16, 20181 votes

My point is considering he plays in 3 lanes a 38% banrate ain't super impressive.

Its not that his rate doesnt matter.

On the contrary it matters much.

In that it isnt something to worry about at the moment so just keep an eye on it. You'll know when he gets broken.

Right now isnt it.

TonyTonyMordecaiJun 15, 20182 votes

Bot lane Vladimir actually sounds pretty fun What would you even build? The normal stuff?

D357R0Y3RJun 15, 20183 votes

Nop not at all

you have to start coin because it gives cdr at lvl 1 then rush spellbinder and rabadon

that's what everyone on bot lane vladimir does

TonyTonyMordecaiJun 15, 20181 votes

Well now I'm intrigued to try that out, I always enjoyed playing Vladimir. Is Rylais still an option? Though they need to update his model

TerozuJun 15, 20182 votes

Hes actually wrong. Most commonly you would start the Dorans shield and rush Hextech Protobelt. After that its based on the match up, if you need mobility still, Spell Binder or shurilya(idk the spelling), if you need defense you get Zhonyas.

And yes you can get rylais.

D357R0Y3RJun 15, 20182 votes

https://youtu.be/R5KA-T3FJ5g?t=1262

3TWarriorJun 16, 20181 votes

with vladimir, quite a few options become available in a dual-lane. Relic shield gives him health and aids his lane partner, spellthief gives him ap, bonus damage and gold for what he mostly does in lane(harass any opponent that gets in range)

TheCodeisCupCakeJun 15, 20182 votes

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Well now I'm intrigued to try that out, I always enjoyed playing Vladimir. Is Rylais still an option? Though they need to update his model

Theoretically it would work, I think. Taking D shield + Second wind + Vladimirs Q should be almost infinite sustain, all you need to do is play safe while poking with Q, you should out sustain and all in when the enemy is 50% hp with Third cast Q + ignite + Whatever the hell the bloods kaboom ability was called