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Melee fighters are not weak in League because of no turn time

Zero Skill Tank··11 votes·1,156 views

For like 4 seasons, it were melee fighters who were dominant class in league. Yeah, each team had a marksman, but it wasn't unpopular to have multiple fighters in one team, and having your marksman to be actually useful for anything other than tower-busting in many metas required dedicating 2 or 3 champions to protect them. Insisting on something being inherently wrong with LoL's system in favor of ranged champions is silly.

Ranged toplaner always was a simple trade off(that often wasn't worth it) - ranged gets to bully in lane, melee provides his team with actual frontlaner, usually yielding in far superior composition, both when it came teamfights and splitpushing. Broken stuff that messed with that balance, like Ryze's infamous Red Ball of Doom Taking 1/3rd of My Health Every Time I Lasthit were consequently - albeit not always swiftly - dealt with.

Melee tops are very weak right now because season 6 introduced several BS ranged champions reworks (Graves, Quinn, Kennen), as well as items and masteries that favor ranged champions(Fervor[especially coupled with Hurricane], Youmuu's, to lesser extent TLD), meaning that strong mid-to-late advantage melee toplaner should have often isn't there.

Those problems are being dealt with right now on PBE. Fervor is gone, replaced with mastery far less oppressive in lane. Greenfather's Gift is concerning, but three new resolve masteries should still tip the scale in most matchups in favor of melee champions. Renek, Irelia and the like with CotC should be able to easily punish ranged toplaners. Youmuu's is being shifted towards assassins.

TL;DR

Stop whining, you are pathetic.

15 Comments

FalconPawwwwnch11 votes

Time to give people a history lesson

Season 1 worlds - nobody plays bruisers except a few exceptions like j4 and Irelia, deathcap gave 155 AP and 30% bonus and double casters is what you saw winning most o the time

Season 2 - Double AP with double WoTa and Atma's were equally viable for most of the season until Atma's was nerfed, which led to double AP for a few months. Season 2 worlds had wota nerfed saw you saw mainly bruisers then with Vladimir and Jayce

Season 3 - Most of it was dominated by ranged champions except the first month and the last two months. Jayce, Kennen, Ryze, Elise pretty much dominated everything until the champs were nerfed and spirit visage was buffed, then you saw Shen, Jax, and Renekton

Season 4 - first half was bruisers, second half was ryze and tanks

Season 5 - First half was Maokai and Gnar, second half was Darius

Season 6 - Either you are ranged, or you're a tank

Mimy6 votes

I real the whole thing nodding and smiling. Because its all sooo true!

But that TL;DR made me laugh.

Shut up and take my up vote.

Commit Sudoku3 votes

The people who are complaining about ranged champions are the ones that don't quite get the league is a game that changes all the time and are the ones who whine everytime the metashifts out of their favor because they are unable to adapt.

Irelia Bot4 votes

The mandatory marksmen never changes.

We want them to be just as vulnerable to Revolving door of meta change as all other classes.

Zero Skill Tank3 votes

Marksman are the best class for objective game. Only way to make them optional is dumbing the game down significantly.

WoonStruck1 votes

Other games manage with melee carries in place of ranged ones.

League is the only exception. They're terrible at balancing ranged vs melee success. If a melee is successful, they're considered too powerful and quickly eat nerfs. If they're not, they're considered useless.

TyroneWatermelon2 votes

"Stop whining you're pathetic" meanwhile all you do yourself is whining

MoonBlade922 votes

Fighters are consistently garbage tho? If you are melee and Aa based your only hope is a life of mediocrity and splitpushing, because RIOT sure as hel is going to hammer you down like a nail. The only ecception to this is Olaf the way pros play him now, and even then he's played more for the axe poke than ACTUAL fighting.

If fighters worked in League the way there were spposed to, you wouldn't have to give them a bilioon gimmics and still ahve them be mediocre like Olaf, ormake them so that they can only play gimmic builds (when was the last time Udyr was good as an honest-to-goodnes fighter with Tiger instead of Ricer with Phoenix? Yi is pretty mediocre, Shyv is worse and is going to get EVEN WORSE with the Fervor and SotA changes, and Jax is pretty mediocre too)

Asking for removal of ranged champs top IS stupid (tho I wouldn't mind making it so Kennen's ult wasn't just a better version of both Morg and Fiddle ult), but Fighters, as in "melee guy who uses auto attacks and actually builds AD" are hot garbage, and have been so for a long, long time.

ZephyrDrake4 votes

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Fighters are consistently garbage tho? If you are melee and Aa based your only hope is a life of mediocrity and splitpushing, because RIOT sure as hel is going to hammer you down like a nail. The only ecception to this is Olaf the way pros play him now, and even then he's played more for the axe poke than ACTUAL fighting.

If fighters worked in League the way there were spposed to, you wouldn't have to give them a bilioon gimmics and still ahve them be mediocre like Olaf, ormake them so that they can only play gimmic builds (when was the last time Udyr was good as an honest-to-goodnes fighter with Tiger instead of Ricer with Phoenix? Yi is pretty mediocre, Shyv is worse and is going to get EVEN WORSE with the Fervor and SotA changes, and Jax is pretty mediocre too)

Asking for removal of ranged champs top IS stupid (tho I wouldn't mind making it so Kennen's ult wasn't just a better version of both Morg and Fiddle ult), but Fighters, as in "melee guy who uses auto attacks and actually builds AD" are hot garbage, and have been so for a long, long time.

i guess that renekton was never a thing... i guess that Darius was never a thing... i guess that Fiora was never a thing nor Irelia, Jax or many of the AD melee champions that have been really strong at different points in the meta. Sorry but Melee champions are far from being mediocre and have rarely been. When people stop bitching and moaning about "OMG WHY DOESN'T MELEE GAIN 300% MORE OUT OF EVERYTHING!" and pretty much begging to become IMMUNE to ranged champions they will realize that you losing the laning phase by a few cs is not the end of the world and you will provide a hell of a lot more later on if you actually build properly. You building like a glass cannon and being blown up and then complaining because of it just makes you stupid

MoonBlade921 votes

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i guess that renekton was never a thing... i guess that Darius was never a thing... i guess that Fiora was never a thing nor Irelia, Jax or many of the AD melee champions that have been really strong at different points in the meta.

So, melee champions means fighters? Renekton is a tank, Darius is a bruiser and Irelia has always been built as a bruiser, with Trinity into straight tank items.

Out of those you mentioned only Jax and Fiora were ever prevalent, and that was just because they were brokenly OP, fiora by her renekton tier stats and Jax because of Sated and Gunblade. Oh and i guess Yi and Nocturne, who were some of the earlier champs and functioned as "Fighter Assassins"

You are sorely delusional or hell, merely illiterate.

FIGHTERS, champions that are supposed to build to deal damage as melee characters using mainly their auto attacks, you know, the guys who are supposed to use Frozen Mallet and Maw, they have been garbage forever now and no amount of lying to yourself will change that. It's a flawed archetype that can't exist normally exactly because league is so heavily slanted towards high mobility and abundance of burst damage.

ZephyrDrake1 votes

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So, melee champions means fighters? Renekton is a tank, Darius is a bruiser and Irelia has always been built as a bruiser, with Trinity into straight tank items.

Out of those you mentioned only Jax and Fiora were ever prevalent, and that was just because they were brokenly OP, fiora by her renekton tier stats and Jax because of Sated and Gunblade. Oh and i guess Yi and Nocturne, who were some of the earlier champs and functioned as "Fighter Assassins"

You are sorely delusional or hell, merely illiterate.

FIGHTERS, champions that are supposed to build to deal damage as melee characters using mainly their auto attacks, you know, the guys who are supposed to use Frozen Mallet and Maw, they have been garbage forever now and no amount of lying to yourself will change that. It's a flawed archetype that can't exist normally exactly because league is so heavily slanted towards high mobility and abundance of burst damage.

in what universe is renekton a tank? sorry but that alone invalidates your entire post

WoonStruck1 votes

It actually doesn't invalidate the entire post, even if he was wrong about that. It means you're too lazy or incapable of a reasonable argument.

That entire first segment is almost irrelevant to the rest of what he said.

Ben Sharpio2 votes

Who needs a front liner when you can just blow up the backline with little to no counterplay ALL while automatically winning the laning phase?

Kennen Jayce

Commit Sudoku3 votes

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Who needs a front liner when you can just blow up the backline with little to no counterplay ALL while automatically winning the laning phase?

Kennen Jayce

Have you noticed that Kennen never actually got any buffs and was in this state the whole time the reason he became viable is because Gragas and Janna aren't in the meta. So the counter play exist except 1 of them was nerfed and the other isnt played because damage assassins and divers aren't in the meta for Janna to played.

Jayce was buffed while fighters were nerfed one of the biggest counters to Jayce was Irelia and she was nerfed twice right before Jayce got buffed.

These champions aren't inherently broken. There counters simply fell out of the meta making them more consistent in play.

If you can't handle shifts in the meta why are you even playing league if gameplay becomes stagnant where the same things are broken every day, week, month. The game is boring. How do you think Kennen and Jayce mains felt before 2 patches ago when they were meta, meta shifts give a chance for all sorts of players to feel powerful at different points. If you can't adapt or change then you are going to be in for world of hurt because its a fundamental part of being good at league the game literally changes every 14 days.

As Kha'zix always says "Change is GOOOOOOOOOD" And Zed, "Balance is weakness"

Nagoh Shan1 votes

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