Practice how to play against 
and 
. Once you understand their kit fundamentals, and how to counter it, you will get fed almost every game in lane.
Because 90% of opposing mid laners will be one of the two.
You can thank me later.
driftedmind6 votesThis is to general everyone who's new needs to learn to beam them.
I dont have a zed problem his easy to beat and gives nothing to a team but damn yasuo still feels broken at times especualy when your on a skillshot based hero he just has everything.
Easy 100% crit from 2 items. Shield and windwall that seem to be aways up and effectiv when executed right. A dash move with no cd. And 2 cc that cant be lowerd with thenacity. And % armor pen..
I cant whait for the new ad item changes and new infinity and crit changes i still have some hope that he will get inderecly nerffed from this. [sg-ahri-1]
The problem this two have is that they snowball to much from incompetant players, as a jungle main i hate to see them go vs a fairly new or bad midlaner since they will surly snowball and be a mager pain to deal with but as it is for me yasuo will be the probelm 2 crit items tenacity or qss and his unstopable for the rest of the items you can go GA and full tank and still be usefull thanks to the constant criting and ulty armor reduction. [sg-ahri-3]
Slythrin Umbreon13 votesYou forgot % Damage reduction 
HungryAngry2SPP1 votesThis is to general everyone who's new needs to learn to beam them.
I dont have a zed problem his easy to beat and gives nothing to a team but damn yasuo still feels broken at times especualy when your on a skillshot based hero he just has everything.
Easy 100% crit from 2 items. Shield and windwall that seem to be aways up and effectiv when executed right. A dash move with no cd. And 2 cc that cant be lowerd with thenacity. And % armor pen..
I cant whait for the new ad item changes and new infinity and crit changes i still have some hope that he will get inderecly nerffed from this. [sg-ahri-1]
The problem this two have is that they snowball to much from incompetant players, as a jungle main i hate to see them go vs a fairly new or bad midlaner since they will surly snowball and be a mager pain to deal with but as it is for me yasuo will be the probelm 2 crit items tenacity or qss and his unstopable for the rest of the items you can go GA and full tank and still be usefull thanks to the constant criting and ulty armor reduction. [sg-ahri-3]
Same
One352 votesthey will surly snowball and be a mager pain to deal with
heehee
TheCodeisCupCake1 votesYasuo is soo fucking easy to play against early game, I shit on Yasuo in my sleep. Zed is a problem imo, too safe early snowballs him to late. But even Zed has counterplay (out side of electrocute ignite let), aim skill shots at shadows when he might reappear to them, play around his shadow cd early game if he's going aggressive. Follow him bot when he is roaming to help your blind deaf bot lane, although you are most likely pushed in so meh
TwoHeadedFreak1 votesThis is to general everyone who's new needs to learn to beam them.
I dont have a zed problem his easy to beat and gives nothing to a team but damn yasuo still feels broken at times especualy when your on a skillshot based hero he just has everything.
Easy 100% crit from 2 items. Shield and windwall that seem to be aways up and effectiv when executed right. A dash move with no cd. And 2 cc that cant be lowerd with thenacity. And % armor pen..
I cant whait for the new ad item changes and new infinity and crit changes i still have some hope that he will get inderecly nerffed from this. [sg-ahri-1]
The problem this two have is that they snowball to much from incompetant players, as a jungle main i hate to see them go vs a fairly new or bad midlaner since they will surly snowball and be a mager pain to deal with but as it is for me yasuo will be the probelm 2 crit items tenacity or qss and his unstopable for the rest of the items you can go GA and full tank and still be usefull thanks to the constant criting and ulty armor reduction. [sg-ahri-3]
Zed with his bonus ad passive on his ult and the new spear item will be a problem.
Everyone can have a Yasuo passive with the new IE.
meowwow76 votesand trust him when he says you will get fed because these guys won't adapt their build to deal with you until mid plat or something like that
Nyarlathοtep5 votesActually guys dont bother. Its not worth the trouble since generally speaking, the zed or yasuo player has to misplay it (especially about yasuo). Its far better to ban either of them.
Mig897 votesYou can outplay a zed without any problems. What low ELO doesnt realize is to counter zed, ALL you have to do is not feed and farm somewhat evenly with him. Hes useless in teamfights if he isnt fed
Kitten of Evil5 votesHow is not interacting with the enemy laner "outplaying" him?
If anything, what you're saying is "he falls off if he's not fed." Which I'd agree, but that's not really what I'd call outplaying someone.
Golden Tager X15 votesThis game is not just about OMGFLASHYPLAYS!!!! sometimes winning the lane/outplaying is forcing nothing to happen and just outscaling.
RainXBlade2 votes"Outscaling"
Every game usually ends in 20 mins nowadays. How in the hell do you outscale someone when the game can be over in a heartbeat?
Disembark2 votesThe second people start grouping Zed becomes worthless.
Has nothing to do with outscaling his “damage”, it’s outscaling his usefulness.
Golden Tager X2 votesOutside of what has already been replied by one other than I, there are points of scaling within the lane. For example, 
spikes incredibly hard at level 6. Knowing things like this is incredibly useful and can win a lane without needing to outplay an opponent mechanically.
Kitten of Evil1 votesYes, the game was once like that (and I prefer that style of play). But it's not like that anymore. Riot's been changing the game towards flashy plays for at least the past 3 seasons. They've made changes that try to force interaction in lane and discourage passive farming/scaling (mana changes, loading gold into cannon minions, new scuttle changes mean you have to contest it). Those changes overwhelmingly benefit certain classes (e.g. assassins, duelists, and ADCs) at the expense of others.
My point was that doing nothing isn't an "outplay." It's playing passive and scaling up. There really are few ways to mechanically "outplay" a Zed, since his kit and itemization gives him way more options than, say, an immobile mage. He gets to poke from a distance, and when he wants to go in, he gets to choose when to do so.
Karunamon3 votesto counter zed, ALL you have to do is not feed and farm somewhat evenly with him.
You just described most champs in the game, including a couple of irritating-as-hell botlaners (looking at you 
).
Sleepcoma1 votesfinally someone who knows how to use their brain lol
Madsin253 votesHonestly dude it is extremely hard to not die to his level 6 all in if you have no way to avoid it.
I get that he sucks late if you don't feed blah blah but it is extremely hard to actually not die if it is a good zed.
TotalJerk1 votesZed can't 100-0 right from the jump at level 6. Yes, it's almost impossible to prevent a level 6 all-in, but you can take steps to ensure he loses if he tries.
Highwiseene4 votesThe issue is that a lot of the times when you're playing against zed, not feeding him consists of letting him push you in. Guess what that means? He can roam and pick up kills.
TotalJerk2 votesIf you're letting Zed push you in you better be playing something like TF because Zed's waveclear is pretty bad.
BakedLotion2 votesummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm there are so many things wrong with ur sentence
TF has good waveclear. You couldn't have used someone like leblanc? Zed's waveclear is only a little bit worse than TF, can be better if TF is an idiot and lets him proc passives with autos
TotalJerk1 votesTF's waveclear is NOT good. He has basically one spell that he can realistically shove with. Aside from that his waveclear is basically comparable to a bruiser.
BakedLotion1 votesCheck their champion.gg's.
TF is ranked just a bit higher than Zed in the Minions Killed category. And TF spends much of his time roaming with his ult, meaning he's consistently killing more minions than Zed even if he's not in his lane half the time.
A TF can oneshot casters with his Q, and red card the melee minions at level 9. What does this mean? He has good fucking waveclear. I really don't know how you're arguing about this. He has two AOE spells that doesn't deal reduced damage to minions.
Nyarlathοtep1 votesIf by outplaying a zed you mean using your hard cc when he appears behind after he ulti, then im afraid to tell you that not all champs can burst him down. And you are right, the most safe way of dealing with zed is to not let him snowball. But farming is a whole different matter. Casting 24/7 spells will just deplete your mana quickly and going to cs with aa is risky thanks to his w. And farming under turret as mage is a nightmare (there are some exceptions). So yeah there is a way but lets be honest now, its not a fun experience. There is no fun in turret hugging until late game.
Shattered Mind1 votesI disagree. The only time he is useless in team fights is if you have more than one tank and a yi.
whizkid752 votesActually guys dont bother. Its not worth the trouble since generally speaking, the zed or yasuo player has to misplay it (especially about yasuo). Its far better to ban either of them.
He's not foolproof by any means.
Kitten of Evil3 votesTrue, but the OP (on this thread) is right. As a standard mage, you really can't outplay them. They can outplay you.
Doesn't mean they always will, but you have way fewer tools to make that happen.
Pika Fox4 votesNah man. You dont want yasuo to hit his 0/10/0 powerspike.
F1SHEYES3 votesWhat about 
?
Pika Fox1 votesGalio mid.
Automated Riven1 votesMorgana is better. Easiest lane to win ever.
LibroMastro2 votesOr you can just play a tank
Kaioko1 votesSo I don't know if this an ELO thing or what not, but while Zed and Yasuo are still highly played -- I only see either of them in about 20% of my games. When you add the fact that they aren't always mid either -- they aren't really a problem for me.
SwiftKitten881 votesSo I don't know if this an ELO thing or what not, but while Zed and Yasuo are still highly played -- I only see either of them in about 20% of my games. When you add the fact that they aren't always mid either -- they aren't really a problem for me.
are they banned in the other 80%?
Kaioko3 votesYasuo to some extent we've been banning a lot lately even on my highest account. I actually started picking Kayle again just because of him. Zed no -- hardly ever worth the ban.
Demonblade Talon1 votesHere are the #1 picks mid right now
Madsin252 votesThis is the rankings from lolalytics. When the champ is 100% mastered.
My Waifu Vanilla2 votesHe's going by pickrate my dood which defines the meta far more than winrate. Learning how to play against talon or a sol doesn't mean anything when you might MAYBE see one every 50 games especially if YOU are always mid and don't play him since you lock out one out of two possible players playing them.
Highwiseene1 votesHe is not going by pickrate. Lux has an extremely low pickrate.
ProfDrDeath1 votesAre you deliberately telling a lie or did you simple not bother to look up the truth?
https://lolalytics.com/ranked/worldwide/current/platinum/plus/champion/Lux/Middle/
Lux has a 7.38% pickrate right now. Which is not the highest, but a far, far call from being extremely low.
Highwiseene1 voteshttp://na.op.gg/champion/statistics
2.3 middle, 2.6 support, going to around 5% total. There is no way in hell someone is going off of pick rate and using a 5% total pickrate champion when champions like ezreal have a 54% pickrate.
Madsin251 votesI was not using winrate.
I was using a literal ranking of the champions by how they perform when 100% mastered.
https://lolalytics.com/ranked/worldwide/platinum/plus/champions/ Click "best rank"
Finders Keepers1 votes
Emerald Fang1 votesI mean you aren't wrong.
Just pick 
or 
and fuck them over immediately.
Shattered Mind1 votesSo true hahah!! I main those two and got out of bronze because of it lol.
BobaFlautist1 votesGeneral tips for winning games against Zed:
Against Zed:
Try to keep the lane shoving into him. He'll be up on cs, but that's fine as long as you're getting enough to buy items. It's much harder to dodge his Q's when you're farming under tower, and if he has to use his w to push back he won't be able to poke as much
Watch out for his level 3 powerspike. He can burst something like 70%+ of your hp with w, q, e, auto. It's ok to give up farm if you need to to avoid his w.
W has a long cooldown, but he still gets to use it at least once per minion wave. Keep that in mind.
Get a 
asap. Yes, it doesn't give Mana, but it's worth it anyway. No rush to upgrade it.
Sit back, chill, and wait for teamfights. By 6 you should have enough waveclear to keep him away from you, so he has to use w to get into ult range, giving up a lot of damage. Don't feel bad about flashing out after he ults for his first ult, flash has a long CD but by the time his ult is back up you'll have gotten more armor, regened hp, and have more wave pressure.
Numbah 9 Large1 votes
I Like Teemo1 votesyou may also want to learn 
as they pop in and out of the bronze-gold meta every 2-3 patches
