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Good job balance team!

Saianna··4 votes·742 views

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I'm not joking! This isn't sarcasm! I sincerely want to thank Riot team for their job! Finally everything is clear, there are no more misunderstandings.

Every MasterYi builds item 3931 & item 3124 & item 3748 & item 3156 & item 3742 Every Fiora builds item 3053 & item 3748 & item 3156 & item 3742 Every Jax builds item 3124 & item 3748 & item 3742 Every Darius builds item 3053 & item 3748 & item 3742 Every KogMaw builds item 3124 & item 3153 Every Graves builds item 3053 & item 3156 Every Soraka builds item 3083 Every Zed builds item 3147 & item 3156 & item 3142 Every Talon builds item 3147 & item 3156 & item 3142 Every Ezreal builds item 3078 / item 3025 Every Corki builds item 3078 Every Shyvana builds item 3931 Every Evelynn builds item 3143 & item 3143 & item 3143 & item 3143 & item 3143 & item 3117 Every LeeSin builds... I don't have a clue.. All I know it makes them into rammus, but with damage and mobility.

I thank you Riot team for removing any possible build diversification! God! It was awful playing against Jarvan without knowing what build he'll follow after second minute of playing. Now everything became so much easier!

It came to the point, where players REPORT others for not building OP items on certain champions. Do you, Riot, understand how AMAZING IT IS?! Now I don't even have to pay attention for what my enemy buys! It doesn't matter! Only 3 things are important now! item 3748 , item 3124 and item 3156. Whoever gets them first wins!

Armor penetration is in its strongest. Half of AD items have slapped Lifesteal on them, so you don't have to worry about crappy bloodthirster anymore. Mixed damage is everywhere, True damage aswell.

I still remember Riots promise "True damage will be a rare thing". Thank God for lies! I just LOVE playing as Darius with "best balanced items", jump in 1v5 spin, hit, fart, and squat and then using all of my brain power to press R on each and every enemys head dealing 1k true damage. I'm teeling you! I don't think year of studying in Cambridge university would give you as much brain work as pressing R and getting Penta on enemy team with Darius! And my ultimate refreshes on kills so I'm prepared for even more grinding! I have to admit, Darius is the most balanced champion ever made by Riot. He has clear wekaness "if you instantly deal 5000 dmg he dies" and "you can kite him for as long as his pull is on CD"

But that's not all! Oh no! There's Fiora! Yi! Kogmaw! Jax! Zed! Talon! Kayle! But lets be honest, they all are on the verge of being weak :( They still manage to be on the balanced side somehow, but if (God forbid) something happen to those items I mentioned..

THEY WOULD ACTUALLY HAD TO WORK FOR THEIR KILLS!
Oh my God, I really hope Riot wont nerf them :<

Oh btw, Karthus, Swine and Warwick are still OP, Riot please nerf them.

TL;DR Riot is amazing and balance team even better! They have removed any signs of build diversity for our own good, from now on Lets spam** most balanced** champions like there's no tomorrow!

P.S

Oh yea... Forgot to mention.. About that "serious & sincere" part..

#I lied.

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Crossette2 votes

{quoted}

I'm not joking! This isn't sarcasm! I sincerely want to thank Riot team for their job! Finally everything is clear, there are no more misunderstandings.

I like this post already.

Every MasterYi builds item 3931 & item 3124 & item 3748 & item 3156 & item 3742 Every Fiora builds item 3053 & item 3748 & item 3156 & item 3742 Every Jax builds item 3124 & item 3748 & item 3742 Every Darius builds item 3053 & item 3748 & item 3742 Every KogMaw builds item 3124 & item 3153 Every Graves builds item 3053 & item 3156 Every Soraka builds item 3083 Every Zed builds item 3147 & item 3156 & item 3142 Every Talon builds item 3147 & item 3156 & item 3142 Every Ezreal builds item 3078 / item 3025 Every Corki builds item 3078 Every Shyvana builds item 3931 Every Evelynn builds item 3143 & item 3143 & item 3143 & item 3143 & item 3143 & item 3117 Every LeeSin builds... I don't have a clue.. All I know it makes them into rammus, but with damage and mobility.

Yes...

I thank you Riot team for removing any possible build diversification! God! It was awful playing against Jarvan without knowing what build he'll follow after second minute of playing. Now everything became so much easier!

This.

It came to the point, where players REPORT others for not building OP items on certain champions. Do you, Riot, understand how AMAZING IT IS?! Now I don't even have to pay attention for what my enemy buys! It doesn't matter! Only 3 things are important now! item 3748 , item 3124 and item 3156. Whoever gets them first wins!

To be perfectly honest I'm one of the people that reports bad players for playing FoTM/overloaded champions and winning explicitly because of it.

Armor penetration is in its strongest. Half of AD items have slapped Lifesteal on them, so you don't have to worry about crappy bloodthirster anymore. Mixed damage is everywhere, True damage aswell.

Gangplank

I still remember Riots promise "True damage will be a rare thing". Thank God for lies!

Pretty much

I just LOVE playing as Darius with "best balanced items", jump in 1v5 spin, hit, fart, and squat and then using all of my brain power to press R on each and every enemys head dealing 1k true damage. I'm teeling you! I don't think year of studying in Cambridge university would give you as much brain work as pressing R and getting Penta on enemy team with Darius!

And my ultimate refreshes on kills so I'm prepared for even more grinding! I have to admit, Darius is the most balanced champion ever made by Riot. He has clear wekaness "if you instantly deal 5000 dmg he dies" and "you can kite him for as long as his pull is on CD"

Same

But that's not all! Oh no! There's Fiora! Yi! Kogmaw! Jax! Zed! Talon! Kayle! But lets be honest, they all are on the verge of being weak :( They still manage to be on the balanced side somehow, but if (God forbid) something happen to those items I mentioned..

Same

THEY WOULD ACTUALLY HAD TO WORK FOR THEIR KILLS!
Oh my God, I really hope Riot wont nerf them :<

Same

Oh btw, Karthus, Swine and Warwick are still OP, Riot please nerf them.

Ayy lmao

TL;DR Riot is amazing and balance team even better! They have removed any signs of build diversity for our own good, from now on Lets spam** most balanced** champions like there's no tomorrow!

Same

P.S Oh yea... Forgot to mention.. About that "serious & sincere" part.. #I lied.

Same.

As for my input, most everything in this post is correct and the people who downvoted it LIKE the state of the game for some godforsaken reason, damn fucking FoTM players and devourer/RE jungle mains

Also you forgot to mention how low-skill Fizz Diana and Ahri are.

Saianna1 votes

I'll be totally honest, I wrote this thread after loong defeat streaks versus FotM champions.

Abouit Fizz/Diana/Ahri - I suck with them. I know how fking broken they can be sometimes.. But my brain just doesn't work on these 3.

Hmm when I think about it I do pretty fine with Fizz.. Yea to hell with this bshit.

Crossette1 votes

Everything is a long defeat streak against FoTM champions anymore...

But yeah, sometimes the easy champions can be hard for you. I can't play Trynd or Ashe for the life of me

AlwaysByMySide1 votes

{quoted}

I'll be totally honest, I wrote this thread after loong defeat streaks versus FotM champions.

Abouit Fizz/Diana/Ahri - I suck with them. I know how fking broken they can be sometimes.. But my brain just doesn't work on these 3.

Hmm when I think about it I do pretty fine with Fizz.. Yea to hell with this bshit.

Get good.

Saianna1 votes

sry, I used to be good but then I played too much Zed :/ Now whenever I wanna play something harder I forget I don't get shitton of free AD, escapes poke, slow and even more escapes along with passive finisher..

Mr Broken Wings1 votes

duskblade suckz.

ßurst1 votes

First of all salty Mcsaltyton half of the items you mentioned are getting a nerf/got a nerf. Titanic nerfed on pbe, Yi nerfed on pbe, Fiora nerfed on pbe. And that has been like that for ages its whats best on the champ im not gonna build ap on Riven lol.

Meriipu1 votes

Maw of Malfoy needs to go

blackcat13001 votes

You should never build item 3083 on Soraka

Her heal cost 10% of max health witch means if you have 3000 health you are losing 300 of it to heal maybe 250.

and if you have less then 300 health you can't use your heal. better build. item 3174 item 2303 item 3117 item 3065 item 3152 item 3089

Now you only have about 2000 health but are healing for 400 and are loosing 200 and your Q's can heal you for about 120+. So you can heal almost infernally.

Plus item 3124 was trash** till this season** it has finally become the item for hybrid builds that we had been wanting for so long.

Plus what about the Karthus and Swain nerf why did they happen?

Saianna1 votes

I'll explain you why Warmog is Sorakas new BBF.

Warmogs passive: gives "warmogs heart" if you have minimum 3k hp. Once you get this, You heal 15% max hp every 5s.

So.. Soraka suddenly can heal non-stop. Only problem is her mana, so you just have to buy athene (it's the best one cause of it's double mana regen passive).

It's so retarded OP that:

#YOU HEAL PEOPLE FASTER AS SORAKA THAN MUNDO ULTIMATE WITH 5 WARMOGS AND SPIRIT VISAGE

Guinsoo was almost ALWAYS weak, not gonna deny it.

But it suddenly received beast-sized passive totally out of ass. This thing should have been slapped on Wit's Ends (but like weaker by half).

Right now It's just too strong

Karthus/Swain nerfs happen cause Rioter from balance team got his smurf bronze 5 account stomped by good Karthus/Swain player. That's the only explanation that can cover this load of bulls waste.

blackcat13001 votes

Astral Infusion RANGE: 550 COST: 10% MAXIMUM HEALTH + 40 / 45 / 50 / 55 / 60 MANA COOLDOWN: 4 / 3.5 / 3 / 2.5 / 2 Astral Infusion ACTIVE: Soraka heals the target ally champion. HEAL: 80 / 110 / 140 / 170 / 200 (+ 60% AP) Astral Infusion cannot be self-cast, nor can it be cast if Soraka is below 5% maximum health.item 3083 200% HEALTH REGEN + I5%

UNIQUE – WARMOG'S HEART: Regenerate 「 1.5% maximum health every half-second 」if damage has not been taken in the last 8 seconds. You just lost heal aka you took damage so the 15% doesn't work. plus wile you are at 150 hp you can't heal and you will loose 10% for your hp so you are losing 300 hp to heal 200 hp not good.

but with low health of 1855 + spell vamp I am loosing 185 health and healing for 11.5 + (35%ap) per target hit so 5 target 57.25 health +55 (5%ap) if an enemy champ was hit. So about 70 damage taken from a heal this is further improved with item 3065 and if you can get health regain over 11 per second then you can basically remove damage from a heal every 3 seconds and be back at full health with the use of your Q's.

Saianna1 votes

Ofc if you took damage.. But Dude.. Soraka isn't front-line support..

And once you master "hide behind" tactics, you literally HP dispenser.

blackcat13001 votes

What dose your W do it deals damage. I have seen it not work almost every game so it is either bugged or you have to build low health high regain to do well.

Saianna1 votes

Just trust me.

  1. Go play Co-op.
  2. Pick Soraka
  3. Buy item 3027
  4. Buy item 3065
  5. buy item 3083
  6. heal ppl
  7. enjoy life
blackcat13001 votes

Okay I'll try it to see if you can still go unkillable tank Soraka.

Do you tink you can still go top with Soraka?

Saianna1 votes

Dunno, I play only ARAM. Just remember get 3k hp :P

Kenny0831 votes

plz give riven a mana, or energy, she jump around like nothing care, and can stun. Like wtf. give her punnishment for her jumping around. plz

Critmaster Garen1 votes

before items like item 3071 , item 3053 , item 3748 , item 3074, the changed item 3124, and item 3147 were added, there was clear itemization for mages, tanks and marksmen.

bruisers, assassins and hybrid champs were always in an awkward spot when it cames to their items. bruisers have basically been living of a mix of adc items and tank items. a lot of the time these items were changed to fit better on tanks or adc than brusiers, but that always left them with awkward choices or no choices at all.

the same goes for assassin itemization. ad casters were always living off itemization that wasnt specifically desined for them. zed building item 3153 for example, if you remember. which is really awkward, since his kit doesnt actually scale well with attack speed.

in a lot of cases for them it was "ok, i built bloodthirster. what now? lets just stack another bloodthirster"

i think a lot of the additions of assassin and bruiser items was a good change to the game. the main issue is, that the classes who didnt have core items before that synergized well, were balanced around shitty itemization when it comes to their numbers. its now a matter of balancing the individual champions.

that, and the side effect of champion classes using items that werent intended for them to create cheese. like item 3053 on assassins and adc. because for some reason riot refuses to put some goddamn limiters on that item, and rather nerfs it for their intended class, instead of throwing a melee only tag, or a health threshold on the item.

honestly, the changes to the global mechanics is the true reason for me the game is so shitty right now. splitpushing minions, excessive death timers, removal of green wards, still unclear or only extremely situational counterplay against stealth mechanics.

second place come the uneccessary marksman buffs. yes, the kit changes were fine, but the only class that has never been actually weak or not mandatory for 6 years didnt need any buffs to their already powerful itemization. they didnt need relative cost reductions on their items to buff their midgame, and they didnt need 5 extra ad at lvl 1 to bully their opponents around even more.

Saianna1 votes

bruisers, and assassins were always in an awkward spot when it cames to their items.

Bruisers yes, as they came along with Irelia. Before that there were "kinda" bruisers who were nothing more than stankish mages/ADs

Most assassins didn't needed anything else than raw power AD/AP. Their scallings & abilities did the rest.

Zed building BotRK was cause of his passive. Same thing was with J4 for some time.

Critmaster Garen1 votes

{quoted}

Bruisers yes, as they came along with Irelia. Before that there were "kinda" bruisers who were nothing more than stankish mages/ADs

Most assassins didn't needed anything else than raw power AD/AP. Their scallings & abilities did the rest.

Zed building BotRK was cause of his passive. Same thing was with J4 for some time.

but at least for ad assassins, there werent actually a lot of items that gave them raw ad.

i dont know if you remember, but when bloodthirster still gave up to 100 ad, the most optimal build path for them was to stack a couple of bloodthirsters.

there werent really any big ad items that didnt have stats attached they didnt want.

item 3142 wasnt as good for them as it is now, item 3147 didnt exist, item 3812 didnt exist, item 3156 wasnt optimal either (though not bad).

the only actual "assassin items" they had available were item 3074 and item 3072 really. they usually then built into crit or item 3071 which is designed around sustained damage instead of up front burst.

i think riots intent was simply to give every single champion type a batch of core items that synergizes with their playstyle. thats not to say i agree with the choice of making duskblades passive % missing health damage by the way. i think they should have rather gone with a passive that applies flat damage, more similar to thunderlords. since that would be more effective against squishy targets, and not give them the ability to execute tanks by auto attacking them once.

Saianna1 votes

i dont know if you remember, but when bloodthirster still gave up to 100 ad, the most optimal build path for them was to stack a couple of bloodthirsters.

My friend used to main Sivir. For him his "best build" was getting 2-3 phantom dancers and 2-3 blood thirsters.

It's not like only assassins had it rough with items.

Back then Tiamat was hilarious. Usefull only on GP and only when stacked hard :D

I miss those times :D

Moesnd1 votes

Im pretty sure bottk on zed was when the active was stronger abd it was used for the burst on it

Critmaster Garen1 votes

{quoted}

Im pretty sure bottk on zed was when the active was stronger abd it was used for the burst on it

its still a weird item choice if you think about it. his kit scales with a lot of raw ad. bork provided very little by way of ad and was almost entirely attack speed focused.

he bought it for the burst active, because there was no more fitting choice available.

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